R/C Forum 2002   討論室

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Happy New Year!
Date: 31 Dec 2002
Time: 11:28:37

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Wish you a wonderful new year. Fly safe and have the best soaring experience for the year 2003!

Name: shareef
Topic: hrbronfm@yahoo.com
Date: 27 Dec 2002
Time: 07:24:46

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hi i from hebron radio i need to bay transmiter 3kw and 4 antana and the spliter with china i need that in israel

Name: Robin
Topic: Merry Christmas
Date: 24 Dec 2002
Time: 10:13:03

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Wishing everybody a very Merry Christmas, best of luck for the new year, play-hard play-safe.

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: Seasons Greeting
Date: 24 Dec 2002
Time: 07:47:14

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Merry Christmas everybody and wish you the best lift in the year of 2003.

Cheers,

Y C Lui

Name: K.Y.Mak
Topic: 恭喜 Stanley 於F3F中得勝
Date: 16 Dec 2002
Time: 10:09:42

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Stanley,

你昨天在 F3F 比賽的表現,實在出色。 飛行平隱、轉向時間準確!

恭喜!恭喜!

Mak

Name: FE
Topic: F3F race result
Date: 16 Dec 2002
Time: 08:00:22

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Hi, Stanley. Congratulation!

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Ma On Shan F3F race result
Date: 16 Dec 2002
Time: 07:09:31

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Hi all,

I have put up the result for the F3F race yesterday. Here it is:

http://www.rcsail.com/localnews.htm#F3F%20Race%20in%20Ma%20On%20Shan

It is a wonderful race, particularly for me as I am the winner. No cheating!

We have scheduled another F3F race in March next year, be there!

Cheers

Stanley

Name: FE
Topic: Reply  to YC - F3F machines
Date: 16 Dec 2002
Time: 06:31:49

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Hi YC,

Another race? GOOD!!!

For your list of planes I am definitely not qualified to answer your question! I am only a beginneer in the F3F race and do not have much experience in them. But I think they are all good design. The most important is to practice, practice and practice to make the most out of your plane. However I think the Sting worth a trial as it has already proved itself in most racings, and Stanley imports them directly so that we can save thousands of money for the servos (Thank you stanley:) My friend Alex Chan owns Pike, Eraser, Miraj . . . and Sting and he falls in love with the Sting just after the first flight! I have both the Brisk II and III. Both are good in quality and finishing (yes, really good!). BriskII is not fast. The MH32 airfoil seems to be an all rounded design and not specifically designed for slope racing. Brisk III is better.

May be you can go to Kevin's page for some descriptions of the planes, although some of them are dated. http://www.knewt.com/planes/f3f.htm

Don't forget the NYX F3F which has very good results in the VR2002. . . Is Stanley going to import this plane?

Name: 一知半解的少年
Topic: 如何手製手擲形滑翔機?
Date: 16 Dec 2002
Time: 04:34:24

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Q1.唔知整幾大架好? Q2.機翼的剖切面應該如何(可否比個真實形狀)E-MAIL(LAN_JAE@YAHOO.COM.HK) Q3.有咩注意事情呀? THX!

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: F3F machines - which is the best ?
Date: 16 Dec 2002
Time: 04:20:36

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It's a pity that FE couldn't join the F3F race yesterday which was very enjoyable. Compared with the previous round of race at Clear Water Bay, the scores of different pilots are closer, if not better this time, indicating that racing events do help to improve the skills of "green" pilots. There was the suggestion to have another round of race to prepare pilots for the Viking Race event to be held in Taiwan next year. This suggestion certainly has my support and I look forward to it.

It appears that bigger gliders do have advantage in this kind of race and I am considering to get one for myself. Can FE share some of his experience / observations in the previous F3F event in Taiwan ? I have came across a few names : NYX, Sting, Ellipse, Miraq, Eraser, Brisk, Pike . . . Are there any major differences between these machinces besides the price tags ?

Thanks,

Y C Lui

Name: FE
Topic: Ma On Shan F3F
Date: 15 Dec 2002
Time: 22:26:14

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Hi Stanley,

I am very unlucky that I needed to stay in the office yesterday. I think the F3F race held yesterday must be a very enjoyable event! Good weather, good wind(?) and good site, just not a good time for me :(

Happy racings

Name: Ringo
Topic: Waigo New Home Page
Date: 13 Dec 2002
Time: 23:20:49

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Go to: Waigo Hobby Enterprise Co. URL: http://www.waigohobby.com/

G/F., 7-8 Tung Fong Street between Pitt Street and Waterloo Road in Yaumatei, Kowloon

Tel: 2384 0003 Fax: 2385 6298

Name: john coy
Topic: hong kong model shops
Date: 12 Dec 2002
Time: 12:15:10

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has anyone heard of a model shop called stellamodels in hong kong??

can anyone suppy me with a website for them or contact point telephone number etc...?? please reply to my e-mail: john@thorl10.freeserve.co.uk

many thanks in advance

John Coy

Name: Willy
Topic: Beginners' FAQ
Date: 11 Dec 2002
Time: 06:07:01

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Newcomers like Simon Kwan, please see http://www.rcsail.com/helpfiles.htm

Name: Ah PONG
Topic: reply to Simon KWAN
Date: 10 Dec 2002
Time: 07:09:16

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Skysport is fine for beginner, and 3003 could fit with most of the sailplanes. However, Skysport does not have mixing function, and you might need an additional mixer if you fly with Delta Wing. I always recommend people to buy EPP planes as they are hardly broken. Good luck man!!

Name: Simon Kwan
Topic: I want to play sailplane
Date: 10 Dec 2002
Time: 00:50:29

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Hi,

I am very interested in playing sailplanes. I want to spend around $1000 to try it. I saw Futaba SkySport 4VF with 3 S3003 servos (they should not be mini servo) which totally costs $6xx. Is it ok for beginner? Is this servo small enough to fit in a large number of different sailplanes especially those for beginners?

For the sailplane, which one is better, ART or RTF ? Also, there are a lot of brands, I feel so dizzy ! Could anyone suggest some(not so expensive) for beginners to learn how to control?

Thx Simon Kwan

Name: Simon Kwan
Topic: I want to play sailplane
Date: 10 Dec 2002
Time: 00:50:17

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Hi,

I am very interested in playing sailplanes. I want to spend around $1000 to try it. I saw Futaba SkySport 4VF with 3 S3003 servos (they should not be mini servo) which totally costs $6xx. Is it ok for beginner? Is this servo small enough to fit in a large number of different sailplanes especially those for beginners?

For the sailplane, which one is better, ART or RTF ? Also, there are a lot of brands, I feel so dizzy ! Could anyone suggest some(not so expensive) for beginners to learn how to control?

Thx Simon Kwan

Name: Willy
Topic: Model shops with Chinese made engines
Date: 07 Dec 2002
Time: 04:51:19

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Go to: Waigo Hobby Enterprise Co. URL: http://www.waigo.com.hk/

G/F., 7-8 Tung Fong Street between Pitt Street and Waterloo Road in Yaumatei, Kowloon

Tel: 2384 0003 Fax: 2385 6298

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: 回應Kelvin
Date: 06 Dec 2002
Time: 10:59:19

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以前許多機師為免“撞band"都踏破鐵鞋地設法覓購所謂”無敵band"晶體但現在只要不介意支付少許郵費﹐幾乎任何頻率的晶體都可以買到。其實要避免因干擾而導致損失﹐最可靠的方法莫過是每次到場時緊記填“band紙"並與在場各機師再口頭核對頻率一次。不過我也明白此舉並非萬無一失﹐許多”新仔“通常到場後便馬上開啟發射機﹐可謂暗箭難防。回答你的問題﹐小弟用的遙控也是40MHz頻段﹐晶體頻率為41.000 MHz.到現時為止﹐與別人”撞band"的機會還不太高﹐也許可以靠慮。

祝好運﹐

Y C Lui

Name: Kelvin
Topic: Band
Date: 05 Dec 2002
Time: 23:34:13

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40頻內,那些尾數少D機會撞Band

Name: Zafar
Topic: Thanks to Joe
Date: 03 Dec 2002
Time: 21:16:31

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Dear Joe

Thanks for help. It is useful info. I will visit this place.

Regards

Zafar

Name: joe
Topic: renowed / famous RC shop in H. K
Date: 03 Dec 2002
Time: 03:15:44

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Dear Zafa

Here is a know of RC model shop (which is one of sole agent)http://www.radarrc.com/ and it is located at Jorden near T.S.T.The most of model price is inexpensive. I read your message about you are looking China cheap model which place is also available for you. But i am interested China's stuffs at all. Good luck and have a nice journey.

joe

Name: joe
Topic: renowed / famous RC shop in H. K
Date: 03 Dec 2002
Time: 03:14:26

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Dear Zafa

Here is a know of RC model shop (which is one of sole agent)http://www.radarrc.com/ and it is located at Jorden near T.S.T.The most of model price is inexpensive. I read your message about you are looking China cheap model which place is also available for you. But i am interested China's stuffs at all. Good luck and have a nice journey.

joe

Name: Zafar
Topic: Radio control shops in hong kong
Date: 03 Dec 2002
Time: 01:54:25

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Dear All

I need infomaton about radio control shops in hong kong. I am a vistior here

email.

zafarmahmood1@hotmail.com

Name: Zafar Mahmood
Topic: Aeromodelling shop in hong kong
Date: 03 Dec 2002
Time: 01:50:54

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i am a visitor to hong kong and looking for a radio control aeromodeling shop. specially interested in engines from china. other items, accessories. can some one guide me.

regards zafar

Name: FE
Topic: DS competition
Date: 30 Nov 2002
Time: 13:47:28

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Just read from gliderking.com about "DS F3F". See below for more:

http://www.gliderking.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=77&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

No radar gun is required, but we need two brave linejudges!

Name: Costas
Topic: Futaba FF9 or JR 3810
Date: 29 Nov 2002
Time: 04:10:15

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Which one is best buy Futaba FF9 or JR 3810 for r/c planes

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: DS Competition
Date: 26 Nov 2002
Time: 21:34:00

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There is no FAI sanctioned competition on DS. However, recently a DS competition was held in Cape Blanco, USA. Some world records in speed were achieved for different classes of sailplanes.

http://www.shredair.com/album/dsfest.html

I think we can hold similar DS competition in Hong Kong provided that we have well-equipped tools such as radar guns for speed measuring. Besides we need to promote more locally on this kind of extreme flying.

Name: Kevin
Topic: Any competition about DS?
Date: 26 Nov 2002
Time: 07:17:17

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I learned that there are serveral different FAI classes of sailplane competition. Is there any for DS?

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: Beautiful
Date: 24 Nov 2002
Time: 01:40:17

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Fat Fai, CONGRATULATIONS, for your big day and have a wonderful future. We all feel happy for you and your lovely wife. ........Robert

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Sailplane and Woman
Date: 23 Nov 2002
Time: 10:39:49

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Fat Fai, our fellow long surviving r/c pilot for over twenty years, has finally discovered today that there is another beautiful thing in the world that is more interesting than sailplane. Congratulation to Fat Fai who got married today. See a picture taken today with our fellow r/c soarers.

http://www.rcsail.com/fai_wedding.jpg

Cheers and best wish to the new couple!

Name: Danny
Topic: Which radio is better?
Date: 22 Nov 2002
Time: 09:52:10

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Hi all,

I am now using Skyport and would like to upgrade to a programmable radio within 2000 bucks. Which one is the best buy? Futaba T6X or Multiplex MM Cockpit, or others?

Thanks.

Name: Nick
Topic: Planes for DS
Date: 22 Nov 2002
Time: 00:21:29

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Yup, the best planes are never available. Even here in US, they have only 1 or 2 distributors nation-wide for popular models like the Nemesis, and there's usually a waiting list for about 1 month or more. The JW from Bowman's is another very good DS candidate(http://www.bowmanshobbies.com/), don't know if they ship international orders, but I guess there's distributors in Hong Kong.

Name: Danny
Topic: EPP plane for DS
Date: 21 Nov 2002
Time: 23:37:08

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The problem is most excellent planes (e.g. Bluto, Shooting Star) couldn't be found in local model shops

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: EPP plane for DS
Date: 21 Nov 2002
Time: 09:56:12

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I would say Bluto, it is currently the fastest EPP plane and is very tractable for DS.

http://www.northcountyflyingmachines.com/bluto.htm

If you have no interest in EPP planes but still want a durable plane for DS, I would recomend you to build a 52" Beetle using coroplast. It's cheap to build, durable and very FAST!

http://www.rcsail.com/beetle.htm

Check out some DS movies of Beetle there!

Name: Kevin Lam
Topic: Fastest EPP planes for DS?
Date: 21 Nov 2002
Time: 08:55:04

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I would like to know which EPP plane has greatest performance for DS available in Hong Kong. Please advise as I gotta choose one for myself:D

thanks

Name: Joel
Topic: Mini R/C Cars
Date: 19 Nov 2002
Time: 12:31:17

Message

Has anyone got the plans of the above

Name: Alex Chan
Topic: Old friend
Date: 16 Nov 2002
Time: 05:20:14

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To "Fat Fai & Willy, Yes, I'm "Lung", happy to meet you again. I think we'd lost contact. Since we may not meet for each time I back to H.K. From the web, I was happy to see F3F was held. If you've time welcome to Taiwan to participate the racing events. If you interesting in F3F or scale F3F (speed racing), please contact Cheng Chung Ming. Also, congulate to hear Fat Fai is going to marry. If I've time, I'll back to H.K. to joint the event (22 DEC) My e mail address is"g059920@seed.net.tw".

Alex Chan.

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Trip to Zhu Hai, China
Date: 10 Nov 2002
Time: 21:38:44

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HKRCSS is organizing a soaring and factory visit trip to Zhu Hai, China on 16-17 November, 2002. For details please check the HKRCSS web site at http://www.geocities.com/hkrcss/zhuhai.html

Name: Willy Lim
Topic: To: Mr. Chan Tai Long
Date: 07 Nov 2002
Time: 10:32:14

Message

I've informed 肥輝 that one of his R/C friends, who moved to Taiwan years ago, is looking for him. He asked if it was 阿龍.

Why don't you leave your email address here for him to see? BTW he is getting married at the end of this month.

Name: FE
Topic: F3F postponed?
Date: 04 Nov 2002
Time: 21:27:45

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Hi Stanley,

Thanks for your prompt reply. In fact I do not know you have to deal with the authority for holding an event in Ma On Shan! humm. .. lots of works in the background we do not know. Thank you :)

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: F3F race postponed
Date: 04 Nov 2002
Time: 20:58:07

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Yes, as we have already paid to the country park authority for organizing event in Ma On Shan, we can not get the refund but we can postpone the event. I am negotiating with the authority to run the F3F race again, tentative date is 22 December 2002, but I have to wait for their approval before making the announcement.

Name: FE
Topic: F3F postponed?
Date: 04 Nov 2002
Time: 20:26:35

Message

Hi Stanley, is the F3F race really postponed? As the announcement is no longer in the "planned activities" section of the HKRCSS web site.

Name: Alex Chan
Topic: Look for an old friend
Date: 03 Nov 2002
Time: 23:05:46

Message

Congulation to see F3F had hold in H.K. From the result I saw a guy whose name call "Fat Fai". I don't know whether you're my fellow pilot in the past. If you've a friend who'd moved to Taiwan for 10+ years. Please contact me.

Chan Tai Lung.

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Report on F3F race last Sunday
Date: 03 Nov 2002
Time: 12:00:24

Message

A F3F race was held yesterday in Clearwater Bay north facing slope. 13 pilots participated in the race. Although there were lots of turbulance and the wind speed varied a lot, we managed to get four rounds of race. The best time is 55.38s by Jacky Lo. Here is the score:

Jacky Lo 2862 Miraj
Big LO     2849 Shooting Star
Cheong     2782 Shooting Star
Stanley   2766 Sting
Mak           2669 Shooting Star
Leung       2636 Sting/Shooting Star
Kin           2471 Sirius
Shing       2372 Shooting Star
Fat Fai   2361 Shooting Star
Alex Lip 2316 Minij
Chung       2297 Shooting Star
Fu             2265 Minij
So             1408 Shooting Star

Cheers

Name: Willy
Topic: Trond Jansson
Date: 02 Nov 2002
Time: 22:04:24

Message

Trond,

See http://www.rcsail.com/hkrcshops.html for a list of the local shops.

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Postponement of tomorrow F3F Race
Date: 02 Nov 2002
Time: 08:21:34

Message

Dear fellow pilots,

Tomorrow F3F race will be postponed to further notice due to the unfavour wind direction. However, the BBQ is as scheduled 5:00pm in the BBQ ground. The BBQ venue may be changed to Tai Au Mum as all of us may converge to fly in Clearwater bay north facing slope. Please call me at 92568087 to check out the final venue.

We will be in Clearwater Bay north facing at 10:30am to test out the possibility of holding an informal race. Please come and have fun.

Stanley

Name: Trond Jansson
Topic: Shops in Hongkong
Date: 02 Nov 2002
Time: 04:45:37

Message

Hello, I´m visiting Hongkong twize yearly and would like to know some good store´s to visit regarding R/C Cars, Air, and boats. Can anyone help me with this information, please.

My mail adress is trond@mail.com

Thanks in advance

Trond J.

Name: Kenny
Topic: 標題: 請幫轉寄出去好不好?要快!
Date: 01 Nov 2002
Time: 21:09:47

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請大家隨手做功德,轉寄出去不會花你半分鐘的時間...謝謝 程曉菁 電話:(02)2550-7099 傳真:(02)2550-7098 急徵AB型骨髓配對,希望大家轉寄此信,讓他們找到(救星) 她是一位血友病患者,經診斷須要做骨髓移植才能有生存的希望。 我們已經到各醫院捐贈資料庫作過登錄了,但由於患者血型特殊,使得配對成功的機會 非常的渺茫。因此我們採用了寄發電子郵件的方法,雖 然也許不是很聰明,但對我們而言,這可能是最後一個希望。 對一個血癌病人和家屬朋友而言,時間一分一秒地過去,越令人害怕。 我們急需要一位血型AB型的骨髓捐贈者雖然只有萬分之一的機會,因為您的慈悲與大 愛,她才有活下去的希望。 請伸出您的援手與我們聯絡也請您可以將這封信再轉寄給您的親朋好友 謝謝。感激不盡! Eric Hui Tel: (852)-2426-6073 (Office); (852)-9181-2083 (Mobile)

Name: Willy
Topic: How to access foreign newsgroup from HK?
Date: 29 Oct 2002
Time: 02:26:41

Message

I can view US newsgroups such as rec.models.rc.soaring and rec.aviation.soaring on free news server such as lord.usenet-edu.net. However this server doesn't allow posting of messages.

Obviously, the news server of my local ISP is useless in this regard.

Any one knows how to get around this problem? Which news server should I use?

Name: K.Y.Mak
Topic: enhencements to an AMD Scorpio
Date: 28 Oct 2002
Time: 09:18:44

Message

Hello All, I have an AMD Scorpio, and would like to do some modification to it's structure, so that it can fly arobatic. Have anyone successfully modified something similar? I expect the wings should be enhenced, before I can do any good loops with it. The thing is, I don't know how to go about it. Please tell me what to do, or where I can get information for the job.

Thanks a lot!

Mak

Name: Danny
Topic: Strapping Tape
Date: 27 Oct 2002
Time: 10:48:56

Message

Real thanks KC.

Name: KC
Topic: Strapping Tape
Date: 27 Oct 2002
Time: 07:55:47

Message

Hi Danny and Ken,

Cheong Kee (Sham Sui Po, 208 G/F Apliu Street) said that they had not been selling the fiberglass strapping tape for a very long time.

I found it in the “Buy-Right” home store. It is from 3M. Its label is marked with “Scotch”, “SUPER STRENGTH” and “Strapping Tape”. The product number of “Buy Right” is 107 418. The US patent Number is D 362,684.

The price of one roll ( 2” x 10 Yards) is HK$ 15.6.

Name: 無名氏
Topic: 初學FAQs--更正
Date: 25 Oct 2002
Time: 07:32:34

Message

屌那聲!個copy paste 功用唔知搞乜撚洠ヾA竟然抄錯而又無辦法搞琚CQuincy兄,總之你返去本網頁的homepage,然後按Help Files個hyperlink,咁你就對本活動有初步了解喇。

Name: 無名氏
Topic: 初學FAQs
Date: 25 Oct 2002
Time: 07:19:59

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哎呀!原來一早巳有,鬺琣菑v睇撚溜鰷K。請參考http://hk.geocities.com/mynetzonehk/weekly/10071011.htm

Name: 無名氏
Topic: FAQ
Date: 25 Oct 2002
Time: 02:13:44

Message

又有人問曭儩黻暋D。阿Quincy先生,請你自己scroll落去M,因為呢灠暋D版友以前巳經答過多次。

版主,請你做過「初學者FAQs」好喎,癈事無人答佢。你知啦,由ABC講起,好尻煩赯嚏I

Name: QUINCY
Topic: New Guy
Date: 24 Oct 2002
Time: 23:18:25

Message

Hello everbody,

Last week, I drove passed Fei Ngo Shan and found you all had held a competition over there. It's seems very interesting for me. Can anyone tell me how much and what's the basic items I need to start this hobby(for a beginner)? Is it difficult to fly with?

Thanks a lot.

B.rgds Quincy

Name: Kevin Lam
Topic: JR PCM 10X
Date: 24 Oct 2002
Time: 13:05:05

Message

Price ranges from 9k-10k,depending what servo you want

Name: KK
Topic: JR10X Price
Date: 22 Oct 2002
Time: 09:50:17

Message

JR10X in HK around how much? Thanks

Name: 無名氏
Topic: 寄倉運機返香港
Date: 22 Oct 2002
Time: 02:04:27

Message

嘩,你]齯隤k煩鱦{。

鬘~國買機時,買埋個棺材,放蹌髐J去一齊運返薄A咪唔會整爛囉!個棺材仲可以留番,第日送禮或自用。

Name: Kevin
Topic: JW EEP
Date: 21 Oct 2002
Time: 10:54:05

Message

Hi Lam Thanks for your infomation. I am hurry to get one there ASAP. Thanks a lot.

Name: Lam
Topic: JW EPP
Date: 21 Oct 2002
Time: 09:36:26

Message

想找 JW EPP 可到 '德昌模型' (荷李活道).

Name: Kevin Lam
Topic: JW EEP
Date: 20 Oct 2002
Time: 12:09:37

Message

really want to get a JW, any shops in HK selling it???

Name: Tsz Ming
Topic: Need some good photo for my website
Date: 20 Oct 2002
Time: 10:12:05

Message

Dear all pilots

Please leave EPP slope combat photos to me as much as possible. My email address is ming@windrider.com.hk

Thank you

Name: Danny
Topic: Tail or not tail?
Date: 20 Oct 2002
Time: 09:17:34

Message

Dear all,

I am a newbie and just wonder what's the dynamic difference between conventional tailed plane and delta wing (suppose both are EPP) in terms of speed, aerobatic responsiveness and stability?

Today I flew my Eraser but it droped quickly due to the weak wind, but others flew their delta wings and float easily. Is this bcoz their wing area is larger??

Also, is delta wing, or specifically, JW, suitable for a learnt-a-little-bit newbie?

Name: Stanley
Topic: Slope Combat Contest Re-located to Fei Ngo Shan
Date: 19 Oct 2002
Time: 10:07:03

Message

As the weather forecast for tomorrow is light wind from southwest. HKRCSS would like to re-locate the slope combat contest originally scheduled to be held tomorrow in Clearwater Bay, to Fei Ngo Shan southwest-facing slope (mountain top). Registration will be started at 10:30am and the combat will be started at 11:30am. Please let your friend know of the change. Call me to re-confirm the location tomorrow if you are not sure the arrangement. Happy combating!

Name: FE
Topic: Taiwan F3F race - photos
Date: 19 Oct 2002
Time: 03:16:47

Message

Hi fellow glider pilots,

I joined the Taiwan F3F race held last Sunday. It was really a wonderful event! I took some photos and would like to share with all of you. Here is the address:

http://hk.photos.yahoo.com/cm6774

Cheers!

Name: KK
Topic: 問So Keung-卓藝買
Date: 18 Oct 2002
Time: 01:48:06

Message

你在卓藝買洏X過咩事?買羇咩出事呀?

Name: So Keung
Topic: 回應JR10X
Date: 16 Oct 2002
Time: 11:46:57

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到卓藝買洁A有問題可能有人會對你說你唔好彩!末試過喎!閣下自理!

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: 回應KK - 關於JR 10X
Date: 15 Oct 2002
Time: 09:55:56

Message

可嘗試位於近旺角山東街與花園街交界的皁藝模型(上二樓)或永利。永利雖然是JR的代理﹐但他們多數“吾 show 你". 除非你是零售商或者好熟啦!

祝好運﹐

Y C Lui

Name: KK
Topic: JR remote
Date: 14 Oct 2002
Time: 22:39:16

Message

Hi all,

在香港那堨i買到JR 10X 的 remote control? Thanks

KK

Name: Danny
Topic: Newbie to RC sailplane
Date: 14 Oct 2002
Time: 20:40:14

Message

Hi all,

I have played sailplane for 2 days :) Before that I've played some kit electical planes (those $4xx per set). I've also followed an instructor to play RC heli for several lessons. But compared, RC sailplane is really wonderful. Fast, it can dive with high speed. Slow, it can even hover in headwind. I am totally attracted now :) Thanks god there are many friendly pilots on the flying site who teached me a lot from choosing an entry Eraser, balancing, controlling to landing. Thanks Stanley, Master Leung, CK, Hung, Simon, Pong, Foon, and others :) Hope to seeing you the next flying day :)

Name: Ken
Topic: Strapping Tape
Date: 14 Oct 2002
Time: 11:43:09

Message

Go to Sham Sui Po, 208 G/F Apliu Street, Cheong Kee to check for it.

Name: Danny
Topic: Strapping Tape
Date: 14 Oct 2002
Time: 09:53:07

Message

Hi all,

Anyone know where the 3M strapping tape could be found? I've looked into several large stationery shop but couldn't find it.

Name: MingFai
Topic: Taking Gliders onto commercial airlines.
Date: 12 Oct 2002
Time: 14:24:41

Message

Many people use the golf box or gun case to carrying their glider

http://www.casesforless.com./detail_seal_tight_lc.html

Name: R. Yan
Topic: Carrying a glider in a commercial plane
Date: 12 Oct 2002
Time: 04:42:44

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Hi, More on this subject. Please make sure you have your battery pack removed.

Name: R. Yan
Topic: Carrying a glider in a commerical plane
Date: 12 Oct 2002
Time: 04:38:04

Message

Hi. One of the ways to carry some gliders in a commercial plane is to pack them in a strong cardboard box. The box that comes with the kit is generally good enough. You have to check-in the box and not to carry it as a cabin luggage. You just inform the airline check-in staff that your box is of fragile nature. They will not put your box into the conveyor system but some other attendent will carry it away by hand or with another trolley depending on its size. When you arrive at your destination your box will not be transported in the conveyor system. Again some other uniformed staff will standby the conveyor system with your box waiting for your collection.

I have transported a few 3m or 4m span gliders this way from Germany and UK. I have never come across any breakage.

Trust you can do the same.

Name: Stanley
Topic: Carrying a glider on board a commercial airlines
Date: 11 Oct 2002
Time: 12:26:04

Message

I carried a new Miraj back from France last months. What I have done was I warped the fuselage with some old newspaper. The wing, fortunately, was in three pieces so I just tied them up with masking tape, together with the warped fuselage I hand-carried them on board. Well, the airline staff let me carrying them, no problem, but you guess what happened when I passed through the custom. In the x-ray machine, the fuselage looked like a weapon of some sorts, the custom officers just called an armed guard to stand beside me and asked me to open it! What a mess after I opened "the weapon" and I even had difficulty to explain to them it is not a weapon, they seem never have seen a model glider's fuse before!

I guess you better take the advice from Robin.

Name: Robin
Topic: Taking Gliders onto commercial airlines.
Date: 11 Oct 2002
Time: 11:34:55

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I have a friend (pilot for cathay) who says his wing was shattered because he put it in the hold with all the other cargo, he's a pilot & he was not allowed to carry it on board.!! What with 9-11 he doubt's you'd even be allowed to carry the fuselage as "hand luggage". My reccommendation : build a big heavy wooden box or use DHL. Wish you luck.

Name: Nick
Topic: Transporting Sailplanes
Date: 10 Oct 2002
Time: 14:24:12

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Has anyone had any experience carrying their gliders onto airplanes?? I think the fuselage can be hand carried, but the wings will have to be checked in, what would be the safest way to keep it from damage??

Name: Taner
Topic: Radio transmitter
Date: 10 Oct 2002
Time: 01:50:08

Message

Thank you Mak...

Name: K.Y.Mak
Topic: Radio transmitter
Date: 10 Oct 2002
Time: 01:06:00

Message

Taner,

Your message is off topic. Anyway, someone might receive a sailplane with the same situation :)

There are AM and FM radios, but most cars and boats uses AM. The channel should be in 27.xxx format Your transmitter might have 27 Mhz band printed on it, but there are many different channels within the band. You should pull out the transmitter crystal and check rather it’s the same channel as your receiver. If it’s not, you can try to change the crystal to match the two. However, some low cost radio equipment ( those supplied with toys), might not have the option for channel modification!

Mak

Name: K.Y.Mak
Topic: Time error on the server
Date: 09 Oct 2002
Time: 21:41:38

Message

Stanley,

The clock on your server seems to be late by 12 hours. The last message I sent about F3F should be 17:49 in 24hour format.

The time at this moment is 9:38am.

Mak

Name: FE
Topic: F3F
Date: 09 Oct 2002
Time: 20:37:31

Message

Hi Stanley, I know what you mean. Just to clarify:)

Name: FE
Topic: F3F
Date: 09 Oct 2002
Time: 20:37:18

Message

Hi Stanley, I know what you mean. Just to clarify:)

Name: Taner
Topic: Radio transmiter
Date: 09 Oct 2002
Time: 16:37:53

Message

Hi, I found a radio controled boat without radio transmiter from my friend. I have a radio transmiter for car with 27 MHz but inside this boat, it needs 27.092 Mhz radio transmiter. And I can't run it. Is there any difference between 27 MHz and 27.092 Mhz or is this boat broken?

Name: Stanley
Topic: F3F賽
Date: 09 Oct 2002
Time: 12:38:02

Message

我說"在A點附近上空等待..."當然就不要在A點之間穿越,所為"等待"其實用詞不太恰擋,應在30秒內在斜坡前盡量增取高度,然後飛出A點,等待30秒來臨前高速插落穿過A點進入賽道。

Name: FE
Topic: F3F
Date: 09 Oct 2002
Time: 10:20:45

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回應Stanley兄: "在A點附近上空等待..." 因計時是以第一次由A向B方向越過A點時起計的, 所以別在A點上空等待, 否則, 一不小心就被計時啦!

Name: Stanley
Topic: F3F賽規則
Date: 09 Oct 2002
Time: 08:39:58

Message

來回飛過A及B點當然直線飛最快,飛出A點或B點後應立即轉彎。 出機後30秒還未過A點就會立即計時,但如果早過30秒過A點,就會當飛機通過A點時開始計時。 出機後應在30秒內盡量增取高度,在A點附近上空等待,當剛要到30秒之前,就高速飛落過A點。 在高空過A點計時再飛落B點應不及高速插落A點計時這麼快或準確。

Name: K.Y.Mak
Topic: F3F 問題
Date: 09 Oct 2002
Time: 05:49:19

Message

對F3F的飛行方式有些不明白的地方,向大家請教一下。 飛行路線由 A 至 B。是否一定要飛行圓周圍著AB兩點飛行,還是只需直線飛經A/B兩點的相對距離便可?飛經A/B點時,離地面太近很易撞山!

出机後要於30秒內經過起點A,如超時未到,是會開始數時間。但如果早到又會如何處理呢?是否作零分計、還是重飛一次?

出机時是應向 B 點出机、再於 30 秒內飛返 A 點轉灣,還是可向其它方向出机,然後以高速直過 A 點? 又可否出机後飛到高空,準時於高位經過 A 點,然後高速飛落 B 點!

還有什麼要注意的地方,請加以指教。

Mak

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: F3F Race
Date: 07 Oct 2002
Time: 11:45:28

Message

Hi K.Y. and Y.C., Although the optimum wing span for F3F gliders is around 2.8m, gliders with shorter wing span can also participate, e.g., Shooting Star is a good choice, other fast scale gliders can also get good results. However, EPP gliders are a bit too slow for F3F although the rules do allow them to participate. For your information, the race information and rules are available in HKRCSS's web site at

http://www.geocities.com/hkrcss/MOS_F3F_BBQC.html

Do come and join the race!

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: F3F斜坡速度賽預練
Date: 07 Oct 2002
Time: 10:05:47

Message

I fully agree with KY's point. I am trying very hard to get my shooting star ready in time for the event but it's unlikely that I am going to make it. I really would like to participate, not for winning but just for fun and learning from you top guns. Will it be possible for me to join with my humble Me163 EPP ?

Y C Lui

Name: K.Y.Mak
Topic: F3F斜坡速度賽預練
Date: 07 Oct 2002
Time: 00:16:06

Message

Hello Stanley, 我相信很多机友都有興趣一試 F3F 的比賽,但和我一樣都是不知如何開始。 上次的手擲機賽預練很好。 會不會也安排一次F3F斜坡速度賽預練,以便新手也能多些信心、加入F3F比賽? 有沒有指定飛机類型? 很多机手都沒有如Sting這類大机。 比賽時可否用1.5M机或EPP机? 需然勝算極底,但有份參與也會很開心!

Mak

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Coroplast planes for combat
Date: 05 Oct 2002
Time: 08:23:58

Message

We have discussed the rules for allowing coroplast planes in the combat but I received some concerns from the HKRCSS committee members on the safety of coroplast planes. So for the time being, the Contest Director decided not to allow coroplast planes to participate in the combat. But I strongly believe that once the coroplast planes are getting more popular with a high safety record, they will reconsider the relaxing rules. Hopefully, next year we might see some coroplast planes winning the contest.

Name: FE
Topic: HKRCSS air combat - coroplast
Date: 04 Oct 2002
Time: 22:25:23

Message

Hi Stanley,

Is there any decision if coroplast planes can be used in the coming HKRCSS air combat?

Name: h啵斔{
Topic: h啵斔{h啵斔{
Date: 03 Oct 2002
Time: 06:27:11

Message

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Name: Y C Lui
Topic: Reply to K Y Mak - Where to buy carbon fiber strips
Date: 03 Oct 2002
Time: 02:58:52

Message

Hello KY,

I am not sure what you are referring to by “carbon strip” but if you are talking about raw carbon fiber cloth, you can get it at 國生行 at 荔枝角道 just opposite to the Sham Shui Po police station. The limitation is that if you are not buying in bulk quantity, you can only get 10 oz carbon fiber cloth from this place and it costs about HK$250 per yard .

If you are looking for carbon fiber rods, panels or laminates, you can get it at Aerospace Composite Product (http://www.acp-composites.com ) in US. I have compared the price of a no. of sources and this one seems to be among the cheapest and they do take international orders for any quantity. As a matter of fact, I am about to receive a shipment from them.

Hope it helps.

Cheers,

Y C Lui

Name: K.Y.Mak
Topic: Where to buy carbon fiber strips
Date: 03 Oct 2002
Time: 00:27:07

Message

Hello, I found some carbon fiber strips in a website, which could be usful for sailplane models. http://www.nyblimp.com/superior/carbon-misc.htm However, they don't seem to have arrangements for oversea shipment. Do anyone know where can we get carbon fiber strips in Hongkong?

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: Sub-micro servo
Date: 01 Oct 2002
Time: 11:10:52

Message

Hi guys,

I am wondering whether anyone can give me some advice on the choice of sub-micro servos ( torque around 1.4 kg cm ). I have tried the Futaba 1306 which is OK except that I couldn't find any place where I can get spare servo gears ( they smear up pretty easily for this type of servos ). I have then tried the GWS Nano BB but was disappointed by it's quality. The potentiometers of the two servos I have brought seems to have developed some bad contact as the servo arm always jitter aroud for a while before coming to stop . I have been told that the Hitec HS55 was good and before I try it out ( hopefully the last try ), I would like to hear some comments from those who have experience with it .

Many Thanks,

Y C Lui

Name: 無名氏
Topic: JR
Date: 01 Oct 2002
Time: 06:30:36

Message

你自己入去JR個網頁睇,然後返黎呢到同大家講仲好啦!

Name: Nick
Topic: JR new radio??
Date: 28 Sep 2002
Time: 17:59:26

Message

Since the XP-8103 has already been around for quite a while, does anyone know when JR will be coming up with a new radio to compete with the Futaba 9C?

Name: yclui
Topic: Thanks to FE for the tips about epoxy
Date: 26 Sep 2002
Time: 08:17:18

Message

Thanks FE. I will get some Epikote 815 when I visit 偉高 the next time.

Cheers,

Y C Lui

Name: FE
Topic: ??
Date: 25 Sep 2002
Time: 11:56:56

Message

Sorry, the last sentence of the message below should read:

"I tried the "Epikote 815" and it can wet out the glass easily. Anyone has another suggestion?"

Don't know why some words are missing ...

Name: FE
Topic: laminating epoxy
Date: 25 Sep 2002
Time: 11:53:52

Message

Hi YC,

The epoxy glue I mostly use for FG reinforcement is "Araldite" long setting time type (24hrs). You are right that the viscosity of the glue is high but since it takes very long time to cure it can still wet out the glass easily. In fact I use my finger for the purpose (For your health I don't recommand it. You are warned :)

You can buy laminating epoxy in 翔峰行, the store beside Waigo. Tell them the purpose and they will introduce you a suitable type. I tried the "Epikote 815" and it has another suggestion?

Name: yclui
Topic: question for FE - about epoxy
Date: 25 Sep 2002
Time: 10:37:58

Message

Hello FE,

I am glad to hear someone talking about epoxy as I have not yet been able to find a good way to wet out glass clothes with epoxy as easy as with polyester. I have tried 30 min epoxy glue but the viscosity is still too high for the purpose and I have to heat up the glue with a hair drier throughout the process in order to get the job done. This method is generally OK for small areas but not too applicable for large working areas.

Is there any place in Hongkong I can get low-viscosity epoxy resin for laminating purpose ?

Thanks,

Y C Lui

Name: FE
Topic: amendment
Date: 25 Sep 2002
Time: 09:02:08

Message

Sorry, re"IN"forcment.

Name: FE
Topic: FG reforcement
Date: 25 Sep 2002
Time: 04:00:42

Message

Hi Nick,

Maybe I can share with you my experience. For fuselage reforcement, I use 2-3oz glass. Too light you will need a lot of layers to achieve the required strength. Too heavy it is difficult to go around the contour. You can use polyester, epoxy or epoxy glue to wet the glass. Don't use 5 minute epoxy as you can never do the job in such a short time. I use 24 hours epoxy (3 hours setting time) which gives plenty of time to lay up the glass and remove the excess epoxy. Epoxy / polyester adds weight, not strength. So it is better to remove the excess until you can see the texture of the cloth again (See the inside of your shooting star, you can see the texture, but not epoxy). Brush the epoxy on the fuselage, lay the glass on, then brush on the glass so that it soaks the epoxy (become translucent). Do it again until you are happy with the thickness. Finally brush off the excess epoxy. Done.

I am sure there must be some better methods out there, but this works for me. You may try it on some old model first. Good bye!

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: Fibreglass reinforcement applied to moulded fuselages
Date: 25 Sep 2002
Time: 02:14:46

Message

Hi Nick, For details and method of application please visit my website: www.angelfire.com/ok5/soar/ On the left hand side there is a travelling menu. Click the "HOW" section. It will bring you there. Happy Landing. R. Yan

Name: 無名氏
Topic: 纖維布
Date: 24 Sep 2002
Time: 02:41:41

Message

你問︰I've heard of reinforcing the fuselage, especially the cockpit and nosecone part, with fibreglass from the inside. Does anyone know how to do it exactly?

落混合膠係纖維布上,然後黐係機身入面咪得囉。你係咪明知固問謘H

Name: Nick
Topic: Futaba 9C problem
Date: 21 Sep 2002
Time: 13:37:22

Message

I don't know how to bypass the problem since I don't have one, but I've heard on other forums that you can send the radio back to Futaba and they will replace it for you real quick for free. They will replace a chip inside the radio and take care of the problem. Maybe you can try that.

Name: Nick
Topic: Fiberglass reinforcement
Date: 20 Sep 2002
Time: 02:25:45

Message

Hi all. As all of us know, the fuselage of molded planes is not very strong and often damaged during bad landings. I've heard of reinforcing the fuselage, especially the cockpit and nosecone part, with fibreglass from the inside. Does anyone know how to do it exactly?? Thanks

Name: K.Y.Mak
Topic: setting up butterfly for the Shooting Star with a 9C control
Date: 18 Sep 2002
Time: 11:16:28

Message

Hello All, I've seen reports on the problem with Futaba's 9C radio, that when butterfly is used with v tail function together, the V-tail will not function normally. Since I'm building my Shooting Star which have 4 wing servos, and a v-tail. I gave my 9C a test, and found my radio really have this problem. The servo's screen shows the v-tail moves in different rate when the butterfly is activated. Some people said this problem can be bypassed by using the Pmix function. Does anyone know how is it done?

BTW, what %tage rate should be set for butterfly effect on a Shooting Star!

Please give me some advice! Thanks a lot!

Name: FE
Topic: Reflex
Date: 18 Sep 2002
Time: 05:28:52

Message

To Alex Chan,

You are welcome.

Name: Alex Chan
Topic: Reflex
Date: 17 Sep 2002
Time: 11:31:52

Message

To FE,

Thanks for your response, I'll check it.

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: F3F racing in Asia/Pacific Region
Date: 17 Sep 2002
Time: 06:28:34

Message

HI, fancy about having a Viking Race is the Asia/Pacific region? The world famous Viking Race is a FAI class F3F competition for slope speed race based on timing. It is held in Europe in every two years. Recently, James Hammond from Taiwan is proposing to organize an Asiana F3F race every two years in alternate years of Viking Race. He has set up a discussion forum and is hoping to get more idea and feedback from rc soarers in this region.

You know the sport of r/c soaring in still in infancy in this region. I certainly believe that the standard of our sport will be improved if an official race like this is held within this region.

Please provide your idea by joining the group forum at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsianaF3F/

Name: FE
Topic: re: FLAP
Date: 14 Sep 2002
Time: 13:58:41

Message

To Alex Chan,

"Reflex" usually refers to airfoil that has reflex mean camber line ("negative camber" at the trailing edge). So an up aileron changes an airfoil to reflex, which is also true for an up flap.

Name: Alex Chan
Topic: Flap
Date: 14 Sep 2002
Time: 12:12:10

Message

Reflex means upward aileron (not upward flap)in order to provide a relative washout so that the glider will stable during landing especially at low air speed. Reflex usually use in small sailplane (usually <2m) which have no flap. At larger sailplane (usually >3m) the airbrake called butterfly which include downward flap & upward aileron in order provide stability as above. If someone use a downward alieron in order to attain lift during landing, it's a wrong concept in sailplane since you provide a relative washin at wing tip. Tip stall will occur at low speed because it's very unstable.

Name: 無名氏
Topic: Flap - up or down?
Date: 14 Sep 2002
Time: 07:50:04

Message

Up flap (up 些少的話),亦叫 reflex,是用來減低升力(及阻力),增加速度。大風時(即 lift 不成問題,雖然翼所產生的升力減少)最岩用。

但如果 up 好多,阻力反而大增,變成 airbrake,令速度、升力都大減。

Down flap(些少的話),速度減低,但升力增加,弱風時岩使。但假如Down 好多,又會弄巧反拙,變成 airbrake。

Name: Nick
Topic: flap direction
Date: 12 Sep 2002
Time: 11:08:30

Message

Any body have any opinions about up-going flaps versus traditional down-going flaps?? Thanks.

Name: Willy
Topic: RC Shops in Hong Kong
Date: 11 Sep 2002
Time: 02:05:04

Message

Herr Michael, look no further than http://www.rcsail.com/hkrcshops.html on this very website.

Name: Willy
Topic: RC Shops in Hong Kong
Date: 11 Sep 2002
Time: 02:01:06

Message

See http://www.rcsail.com/hkrcshops.html for a list.

Name: david
Topic: how to launch using a upstart system
Date: 10 Sep 2002
Time: 22:28:53

Message

im knew to rc flying in fact every rc aircraft i have tried to fly failed so i finally decide to try a sailplane but when i hand lauched it all it did was sail to the ground and break the prop this occured twice so now i want to try the upstart system i already ordered it but before i try it i would like some tips on ho to go about it and forgetanout me finding sombody to train me its impossible, so please help me if u can and my email address is TEMPALERT@AOL.COM if u feel makes you better please email me thank you.

Name: Michael
Topic: RC-Shops
Date: 10 Sep 2002
Time: 08:38:26

Message

Hi, my name is Michael, living in Germany. In november 02 i stay for one night in Hongkong. I look for a shop in HKG where I can buy electricparts (Gyro, Servo) for my rc-helicopter. Please send me mails with adress ore homepage-information. My mail-adress: michadietrich@web.de Thanks for any information!!!

Name: 無名氏
Topic: 大陸R/C slope soaring網址
Date: 09 Sep 2002
Time: 06:17:02

Message

回應︰「Is there any homepage (Mainland China) about R/C slope soaring? thanks.」

好明顯你應該自己用大陸的搜尋器搵,好過係這個講香港既網站問,浪費bandwidth。

Name: 無名氏
Topic: 初學滑翔機
Date: 09 Sep 2002
Time: 02:58:39

Message

回應︰ ________________________________________________________________ 想問下有邊款平靚正遙控飛機(滑翔機)好介紹給初學者?另外,請問在深圳and 廣州那埵陰o賣?唔該! ________________________________________________________________

咁就一定要買國產、「長城」(Modeltech) 出既 Angel 啦。

Name: 無名氏
Topic: JETI
Date: 09 Sep 2002
Time: 02:51:28

Message

我係「永利」買過jeti電變,佢地有冇賣埋接收機就唔知啦。你不如打電話去問。

無你就要上網訂啦。

Name: Patrick
Topic: jeti 7ch micro reciever
Date: 08 Sep 2002
Time: 09:34:26

Message

where can I buy the Jeti 7ch micro reciever in HK ? thanks!!

Name: Patrick
Topic: jeti 7ch micro reciever
Date: 08 Sep 2002
Time: 09:34:12

Message

where can I buy the Jeti 7ch micro reciever in HK ? thanks!!

Name: GM91
Topic: Any Main Land China homepage
Date: 07 Sep 2002
Time: 13:41:08

Message

Is there any homepage (Mainland China) about R/C slope soaring? thanks.

Name: GM91
Topic: Beginner Ask...
Date: 07 Sep 2002
Time: 13:37:49

Message

想問下有邊款平靚正遙控飛機(滑翔機)好介紹給初學者? 另外,請問在深±卅 and 廣州那埵陰o賣?唔該!

Name: 無名氏
Topic: 模型船網址(香港?)
Date: 06 Sep 2002
Time: 03:28:54

Message

請用本地的搜尋器http://www.timway.com自己試搵。

Name: tongbin
Topic: help
Date: 03 Sep 2002
Time: 01:40:54

Message

hello: Please tell me any net page for the r/c boats build.Thank you very much! My id "hometw520@yahoo.com".

Name: Chester
Topic: Chinese menu for FF9
Date: 02 Sep 2002
Time: 13:23:31

Message

http://www.youbangmodel.com/temp/f91.htm

Have fun

Name: Eleven
Topic: Butterfly
Date: 01 Sep 2002
Time: 09:01:51

Message

Can I use Futaba FF7 to operate 'butterfly' in Shooting Star (new version)? Thanks!

Name: Tam Kai Kwan
Topic: CNC hot wire cutting machine
Date: 29 Aug 2002
Time: 13:38:14

Message

I have found a web site that explain how to build a CNC foam cutting machine. I would suggest HKRCSS to build a machine for our club member, so we can cut our own wings at ease. Dose anyone think that is a good idea. The building process should require a workshop and some electronic soldering, also an old PC.

Please, visit the web site http://gm.cnc.free.fr/index_en.html

Name: Patrick Lam
Topic: fixing servos
Date: 28 Aug 2002
Time: 21:40:56

Message

The shrink wrap remains can be teared off from the wing easily. However, the epoxy will remain on the wing and form a mold which only suits the servo you have just removed. It is Ok if you replace a same kind of servo into the wing.

Name: Nick
Topic: gluing servos into molded wings
Date: 28 Aug 2002
Time: 18:56:27

Message

Thanks Patrick, but would that leave residue of shrink wrap in the wing after the servo is pulled out?? is there any way to pull out the servos leaving the wing smooth and good for attaching another replacement servo??

Name: Patrick Lam
Topic: fixing  servos in moulded wings
Date: 28 Aug 2002
Time: 10:29:45

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1.cut off arms of servos and sand the cutting edge. 2.wrap it with heat shrink tube ( you can buy it in ap liu street) 3.glue it to the wing by epoxy If you want to remove it... cut the heat shrink tube and the servo come off!

Name: Nick
Topic: method of gluing servos to molded wings
Date: 27 Aug 2002
Time: 16:25:25

Message

Hi, does anyone know any good ways to glue servos into molded wings that is strong enough so that it won't come off during flight, but can be pulled out without damamging the wing when the servo needs to be repaired/replaced??

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Servos for Shooting Star
Date: 27 Aug 2002
Time: 05:53:51

Message

Hi Mak,

You should be able to fit the Futaba FS3101 to the wing by first cutting off its arms and sanding it corners a bit. I do recommand to use FS3102 (metal gear) at least for the flaps.

Other servos such as Volz's zip and HiTec HS81MG should fit nicely, but in my opinion they are not as good as Futaba servos.

Name: K.Y.Mak
Topic: Which servo for Shooting Star
Date: 26 Aug 2002
Time: 10:44:11

Message

Hello All, I'm trying to fit 4 servos to the Shooting Star's wings, and found the Futaba S3101 too thick for the job. The S3106 should fit, but it might not be strong enough! Would someone give me suggestions on which servos to use for ailerons,flaps and v-tails?

Thanks a lot ! Mak

Name: Patrick Lam
Topic: Re: re: HS-125-MG
Date: 21 Aug 2002
Time: 10:43:15

Message

Charles, I don't hav them right now.I am planning to order some. That 's why I seek comments. What do you think ? is it good? Why don't we put orders together and share minimum shiping cost.

Name: Charles
Topic: Re: HS-125MG
Date: 21 Aug 2002
Time: 09:19:17

Message

Patrick, have you got some for sale? What's the price? Please bring some along with you if you go to the flying site this weekend.

Name: Patrick Lam(林伯)
Topic: Hitec servos
Date: 21 Aug 2002
Time: 03:08:05

Message

Is there anyone using Hitec HS-125MG servos. Is it good?

Name: FE
Topic: Coroplast for combat
Date: 06 Aug 2002
Time: 10:06:01

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Oh ya TEE, you bring out a good point. With coroplast we can design our own plane with very low cost and short building time. What make it more satisfactory than you win with your own design?!

Name: Tee
Topic: Coroplast for Combat.
Date: 05 Aug 2002
Time: 01:26:42

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Hi everyone ! Surely the idea and reason behind combat was to have no fear of hitting each others plane as the material would be "indestructible". We can debate that coroplast is stiffer and harder than EPP but I would classify both materials as cheap and indestrutible - and maybe in the future, someone else finds a new and cheap material. This is the fun spirit behind combat - and it should not be limited to only EPP. So in my view, both EPP and coroplast planes should be allowed. This way, we can always ensure that there is innovation (in material and design) and progress in our hobby. Would be h happy to hear your feedback.

Name: Robin
Topic: Coroplast for combat
Date: 31 Jul 2002
Time: 13:01:26

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Great to hear that hkrcss is going to hold another combat compition, the last one was really good, great to see ALL the gliders doing a high speed pass at once...!! Thanks to hkrcss again, Can non-members still join in...? I think that coroplast planes should be allowed to participate in combat, safety wise it seems fine as long as spectators are further away than the pilots. Only concern with coroplast is that a very pointed (Delta) nose can really damage epp, i hit a zagi a few months ago & it almost made a hole right through the wing next to the servo...! Why not allow coroplast next time just to see what happens, should make combat even more exciting.............!

Name: FE
Topic: Coroplast for combat
Date: 29 Jul 2002
Time: 10:01:23

Message

Great! I do not have EPP. If coroplast is allowed then I do not need to buy a new plane!

Just thinking of safety. You do not get hurt if hit by an EPP. Coroplast is a bit harder . . .

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Combat Rule for Coroplast Planes
Date: 29 Jul 2002
Time: 00:34:56

Message

Hi, I've built a few coroplast flying wings (Beetle) and found that they are good for combat with speed and durability. I wonder if fellow pilots agree on allowing Coroplast planes for participating in slope combat competition. Currently only EPP planes are allowed. You know HKRCSS is going to hold a slope combat competition soon. Should we change the rule to allow Coroplast planes in the competition? Your view is highly appreciated.

Name: Guy
Topic: Hello
Date: 28 Jul 2002
Time: 14:55:27

Message

Just say Hi

Name: HKRCSS主席
Topic: 請勿再爭拗
Date: 28 Jul 2002
Time: 14:48:57

Message

不看這討論區巳有一段日了,最近看了不禁驚嚇一會,原來有一些會員對於 本會有些薇言或意見,深感萬千抱歉,這是表示本主席帶領無方,所以做成 你們的不滿及爭拗o 但是想深一點,須然我辦事不力,有負會員的錯愛,你們 可知,在我之後是有很多人用心用力去做好HKRCSS會務的,不要因我或一些 你們對他們有意見的人影響,而對這班用心用力去做好HKRCSS會務的人,有 所不公,請你們公道一點o 會員繼續努力,努力!! 爭取我們的目標,不要再 爭拗,有意見歡迎列席開會o 謝謝!

Name: BG
Topic: Where To Buy Depron Foam In Hong Kong
Date: 26/7/2002
Time: 10:52:11

Message

Hi Guy,

I have search Google and other places and find no reference to Depron Foam Anywhere.

If you have a sugestion on different foam that can be shape using sandpaper. Just Post it here.

Do Any Of You use this foam to build small Model (for Children). Got to get them flying young(right).

Thanks in Advance.

BG

Name: Robin
Topic: Triffik
Date: 25/7/2002
Time: 1:50:31

Message

I'm thinking of getting the little "triffik" glider, anybody have one, are they nice? Cheers

Name: stanley
Topic: Sailplane racing
Date: 22/7/2002
Time: 11:31:24

Message

Here is a good link for real glider racing, very interesting!

http://www.imdata.com/Page1.html

Name: Tsz Ming
Topic: To Chester
Date: 21/7/2002
Time: 2:00:04

Message

As I know ,many famous model factory was also start from hobby. So, please keep going for you model business idea. If you want model business become your career, I find no any point, why you have to stop what you doing now cause ONE funnyman.

Name: Patrick Lam
Topic: Hitec wing servos
Date: 20/7/2002
Time: 22:55:42

Message

Where could I buy those Hitec wing servos in HK? thanks

Name: Jason
Topic: 言論自由
Date: 19/7/2002
Time: 22:32:05

Message

此討論室應該是為滑翔機愛好者而設, 偶爾有不同意見是難免, 但請自重, 不要太偏激, 不要人生攻擊. 粗俗言語只會令人髮指. 言論自由應該珍惜!

Name: MingFai
Topic: Hitec NEW WingServo
Date: 17/7/2002
Time: 12:31:57

Message

That is a new servo form Hitec, The size is same as the HS-81.

http://www.hitecrcd.com/Servos/hs125.htm

and

http://www.hitecrcd.com/Servos/hs5125.htm

happy soaring

Name: Chester
Topic: Some thing about batteries
Date: 16/7/2002
Time: 20:56:52

Message

I found a good page regarding batteries (chinese), take a look:

http://my3c.com/

Cheers

Chester

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: FMS planes
Date: 15/7/2002
Time: 16:36:38

Message

Here is another link to get more plane models for FMS.

http://fms1.mattclement.com/

I also built a few interface cables (parallel) for Futaba tx, if you need help on this, let me know.

There is another simulator, CRRCSIM, specially designed for slope and F3F, you may be interested in.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crrcsim/

Regards

Name: MingFai
Topic: FMS Add on Aircraft
Date: 15/7/2002
Time: 16:05:12

Message

I dont know what's going on, If you click the link and cant reach the page, please type the address by yourself. The link in display is correct but if click it, you will go to another page and you will find that the address is differenc.

Name: MingFai
Topic: The missing ling  ;-p
Date: 13/7/2002
Time: 23:30:51

Message

Sorry for the wrong post

http://yokohama.cool.ne.jp/naoo/index-e.html

Name: Alex
Topic: FMS add on aircraft
Date: 13/7/2002
Time: 9:28:43

Message

Ming Fai,

The link must be

http://www.hoops.ne.jp/~kimagure-ikoki/FMSMODEL/Hanger_index.html

You can find more aircrafts, include GWS Tiger Mog, Stick ......

HAppy Soaring,

Name: MingFai
Topic: FMS add on aircraft
Date: 13/7/2002
Time: 1:44:44

Message

More and more free aircraft for FMS http://www.hoops.ne.jp/%7Ekimagure-hikoki/index_e.html

Happy Soaring

Name: Willy Lim
Topic: Soaring trip to Bali
Date: 12/7/2002
Time: 17:33:03

Message

Good idea but a sheer luxury to me and I suspect, many HKRCSS members in the present economic recession/depression.

A club excursion to Tai Long Wan and Grass Island in Sai Kung in Autumn (when the Easterly wind picks up) should be well received and suit all budgets.

Name: Alex
Topic: FMS
Date: 11/7/2002
Time: 19:04:24

Message

Thanks for Ming Fai,

I try this FMS and I did the cable by myself. If anybody get problem for making the cable, you can contact me at alexlip@netvigator.com. I can help you to make it, only cost few HK dollar.

Happy soaring.

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Soaring trip oversea?
Date: 11/7/2002
Time: 18:46:02

Message

Hi there, our Singaporean friend sent us information about their recent soaring trip to Bali, Indonesia. Please see

http://www.singaporerc.com/

They mentioned that the wind was so good and consistent there. Look like from their pictures that the soaring site, a long cliff overlooking the ocean, is so suitable for pylon racing and combat.

If you are worrying about to go soaring in Discovery Bay, then will you fancy about going to Bali for a summer soaring vacation?

It is relatively cheap now to go to Bali, a hotel/air ticket package may cost around HK$3,xxx. Anyone hkrcss member interested?

Name: MingFai
Topic: FMS
Date: 11/7/2002
Time: 1:07:34

Message

For anyone who like to enjoy the fun of FMS http://simulator.home.pages.de/ http://www.heliguy.com/nexus/fms.html And also the Futaba TX/JR TX interface http://www.heliguy.com/nexus/fmsinterface.html

Name: MingFai
Topic: Good Page for RC modeler
Date: 9/7/2002
Time: 11:00:08

Message

That is a good wed site to explain what is Model Soaring... http://www.luminet.net/~bkuhl/sld006.htm

Happy soaring

Name: Robin
Topic: Lantau
Date: 9/7/2002
Time: 2:42:51

Message

I know that Lantau is a "no-fly" zone & accept the fine happily, I was told by "some park guy" while flying one day that he is supposed to give me a ticket........ but he will not as he also flys rc gliders & thinks it is a joke. I do feel a little guilty as maybe i make the sport look bad, But i'm at the bottom of the flying site 10-14hrs a day, as i'm on an island i have no-where else to go. But i must say, one hour every afternoon of flying my jazz, 5 days a week has really made me a much nicer boss...ha ha.!! So my point is this, be careful if you want to fly in Lantau, only one of the wardens (if you call them that) likes us rc people, you might get in trouble........, i'm just lucky. Happy Landings, Oh one more thing, I'll try to sort out some kind of a discount if you guys want to come, Just tell the waiter that you are a hkrcss member & you'll get a discount.......

Name: electric_flyingfoam
Topic: Off-Topic -  Apologies in Advance - Electric helicopter
Date: 8/7/2002
Time: 23:46:51

Message

Does anyone know the name of the manufacturer of the "FEDA" electric helicopter? They are supposed to be in Shenzhen.

You can see a picture of the "Feda" here:

http://www.planemodel.com/gs.files/report_feda.htm

I would appreciate a contact email address or telephone number for the manufacturer.

This model is probably available in the Hong Kong hobby stores. Please have a look when you next visit your local hobby store and email the information to me at:

electric_flyingfoam@hotmail.com

Many thanks in advance and once again my apologies for being off-topic.

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: R/C soaring in Lantau Island
Date: 8/7/2002
Time: 22:48:49

Message

Thanks for FE and 無名氏 views on the no-fly zone in Lantau Is. I totally agree with you that we shouldn't do r/c soaring there in high profile. I never mean to be high profile. However, I would like to point out that many r/c pilots have been flying over there for ages. Just like the r/c frequencies most of us now using are illegal but why you are still using them? So yes, please keep this in low profile and we should enjoy the sport instead of arguing ourselves!

Some submissions in this forum using different names are actually from the same person: 飛機友、新仔、kin、HKRCSS 會員、A member of HKRCSS .., as your IP (same) is logged - you cannot hide in the Internet world! I value very much the freedom of speech, and that is the spirit of this forum. That is why I don't want to shut you off. Please respect yourself and others. Don't play this trick anymore. If you are really a HKRCSS member and dislike the existence of HKRCSS, why don't you follow the HKRCSS's bylaw and call for an extraordinary meeting by majority vote to sort out the dispute if there is any!

Name: Alex
Topic: HKRCSS 會章
Date: 8/7/2002
Time: 20:08:23

Message

To : So Call HKRCSS 會員

I'm also the member of HKRCSS. I 'm very appreciate the work of the Committee.For e.g Getting formal confirm from Country Park Authority, saying that they have no objection to the model glider flying in the county park. It benefit to all the RC pilot include member or non-member. They also deal with OFTA, hope to have more bands for this sport. Do you know the allowed band for RC Aircraft in HK? Only 72Mhz. Maybe, you can said the band 27 MHz is allowed. This is only for RC-Car and boat. It is not suitable for aircraft model control because of safety hazard arising from interference.

I thanks for them.

If you want complain. I think you better use your real name, and state your complain clearly.

Thanks.

Name: A member of HKRCSS
Topic: Is it possible to close or end-up HKCRSS
Date: 8/7/2002
Time: 19:58:29

Message

If possible, please close HKCRSS. Many thanks!!!

Name: A member of HKRCSS
Topic: Is it possible to close or end-up HKCRSS
Date: 8/7/2002
Time: 19:57:38

Message

If possible, please close HKCRSS. Many thanks!!!

Name: HKRCSS 會員
Topic: HKRCSS 會章
Date: 8/7/2002
Time: 15:35:53

Message

我們要求嚴格執行,會章第16條,請你們下台!!!!

Name: 無名氏
Topic: 致版主stanley
Date: 8/7/2002
Time: 12:10:04

Message

首先講粗口個,唔咪我。我只係自衛還擊。

《飛鵝山》及《扎山道》以前 (搬機場前) 都係模型禁飛區,我亦見過飛機友係《扎山道》被差人驅趕,但無檢控。呢d小事,你唔係做到好串,政府唔會嚴格執法。

但個會咁高調公然係網上班馬去禁飛區飛,再加上有悲鄙小人係下面公開唔妥個會,會唔會有人向民航處舉報,話某月某日係《北大嶼山禁飛區》會有一大班人.......?有人正式投訴,你地又成隊人,係威係勢咁,政府就迫住要做野。

早排究有成隊醫生係郊野公園打 wargame 被漁農處檢控啦,好彩最後佢地証明到事發地點唔係郊野公園範圍之嗎。高調,加上有人正式投訴,政府就一定會做野。

請個會三思而後行。

Name: FE
Topic: Lantau Island and HKRCSS
Date: 8/7/2002
Time: 11:53:22

Message

I agree with you Stanley. I'm also shocked with the recent messages. Soaring and sailing are the two most peaceful and friendly in the modelling world. I hope those who left the insulting messages are just only the minority of us. Althought we can hide ourselves in the internet world, but please also be polite to the others. The forum is still a public place.

Regarding flying in Lantau Island, I still have some concerns, especially the government had already told us that we cannot fly there. I know our model planes should not cause any hazard to the airliner, as long as we fly close to the ridge. However, the law is here. We cannot say that driving at 85km/h is safety and hope the police does not charge us for overspeed at a 70km/h speed limited road.

I am not a member of the HKRCSS, but I appreciate the work of HKRCSS. The committee and the members have devoted their own time in organizing the club and try to promote the activity. Whether we are a member or not, being a slope soarer in Hong Kong, we should support their work. Thanks.

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: No bad language or personal attack, please!
Date: 8/7/2002
Time: 3:26:36

Message

This forum was set up for dear glider pilots to express their views and to discuss matters related to r/c soaring. 請自重不要講粗口和人身攻擊!

Kin 兄,大慨明白你的意思,但請不要講粗口!

無名氐兄, 你一定是HKRCSS member,民航處的信只有會員才得到通知,首先多謝你參與HKRCSS和講北大嶼山放機的幽墨說話,但請你不要講粗口和人身攻擊!北大嶼山是禁飛區,同樣飛鵝山東風位也是飛機航道,那麼你一直都是以身試法?你知不知有許多階蟒颲鱆瑣鰹v都在愉景灣放模型滑翔機,難度他們對同僚的安全也不顧!其實大家都知到只要飛近山坡,就不會有危險,無為危言聳聽了!

Dear Mr. HA, What made you so angry with HKRCSS? You know HKRCSS has over 80 members and they are friendly people sharing the same interest. Why are you insulting them? R/C soaring is for fun and we all enjoy this fun the nature help to provide. We, and of course you, are all beneficial of this nature force. HKRCSS never stops non-members enjoying this natural resource. In fact we encourage more people to come, we encourage co-operation among various groups, we are trying to promote and raise the standard of this sport, we are fighting for the support of this sport from the Government. We have done a lot of thing not only our members will be benefited, you will too! Please re-think about what you've said and respect all others sharing the same interest in r/c soaring!

Name: HA
Topic: FuXK You
Date: 7/7/2002
Time: 22:56:11

Message

FuXk the HKRCSS up side down, inside out.Do you know what i mean? I mean ask your mother to open her legs and i will put my dicckkk inside. Do you understand!!!!!

Name: 無名氏
Topic: kin想講乜
Date: 7/7/2002
Time: 15:23:38

Message

佢想話 hkrcss 飛大嶼山「關你撚事」,但係連中文打字都唔識,只係識d仲差個初中生既中式英文。

撚樣kin,你要去犯法,真係唔關我事,我只係提醒唔知個d人隉C我咁做,學你話嚌,關你乜撚野事呀,屌你老母!你飲你老母臭hie 既 hie 水飲到傻左呀!

Name: FE
Topic: Message below
Date: 7/7/2002
Time: 15:00:53

Message

有沒有人知道 "kin" 君想寫些什麼? 敬希賜教。

I'm sorry but I'm not sure what "kin" wants to say. Anybody can help?

Name: Kin
Topic: To some one who halitosis about Lantau Island
Date: 7/7/2002
Time: 3:38:16

Message

Everyone ( include hkrcss)know Lantau Island isnot a legal "arena " to fly glider .However there is public area who have their privilege to do thing they like .But hkrcss never express opinion or subject any "member" to fly Lantau Island . Hkrcss provide technic and assiant someone who love fly model glider ,They are incumbency and not touch with business .Of course their member have sovereignty to pass on the glider to other member or non member ,Even they have right to promote their "own" produce in their "personal" website or flying site . Above of all is lawful . Please don't unskilled to interfere other that not your business, and do a lot of thinking before talk and written .............. .....( KWAN LAT LUN SEE ) . All of this advise sincerely is free of charge .No thankyou ! Have a nice fly ! Don't Lantau Island !

Name: 無名氏
Topic: 飛大嶼山
Date: 6/7/2002
Time: 12:03:16

Message

民航署早前發信hkrcss,其中提及北大嶼山是模型禁飛區。

hkrcss可謂膽大包天,竟敢以身試法,意圖危害本港民航安全。這完全是擾亂本港繁榮安定及國家安全的恐怖主義行為,絕對違反《基本法》第23條有關顛覆國家的條文。由此可見,hkrcss和《法輪功》等境外敵對勢力一樣,應被中央依法取締,會員一律判處勞改。

Name: 新仔
Topic: 副主席
Date: 6/7/2002
Time: 10:27:24

Message

你老兄做生意無人反對 不過如果你不再是副主席/會員 會唔會好D? 用心做靚D飛機 會不會好D? P.S.又要出名 又要做生意 難左D

Name: 飛機友
Topic: : To Glider lover
Date: 6/7/2002
Time: 9:37:30

Message

你老兄幾時飛直昇機 一齊去好不好? 我都飛左成年 amigo/raptor 牠是一隻好機值95分以上! 不過上星期入左隻 HIROBO 50 SCEADU 隻機大力到好似枝火箭!!!

Name: 飛機友
Topic: To be your Bat man Ooops is fat man Robin
Date: 6/7/2002
Time: 9:07:22

Message

Hi Robin Thank's for the italian dinner! I love to come & to be a fat man ha ha ha!And I am very sure you are a real flying site people !!!...........You are I am sure!!!!!:)

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: Discovery Bay Adventure
Date: 6/7/2002
Time: 7:07:46

Message

I raise my hand first to join the Discovery Bay Flying and Italian Dinner (Free from Robin or a big discount!) However, I would like to know the best flying wind directions there, so that we can plan ahead.

Name: Stanley
Topic: Discovery Bay
Date: 6/7/2002
Time: 0:45:40

Message

Hi Robin,

Good to hear that you are wealthy settled in Discovery Bay. We miss you so much in Fei Ngo Shan. I have been hoping to visit the flying site in Discovery Bay for quite some time. Now, we have you a local guild there, perhaps HKRCSS should consider organising a soaring trip to Discovery Bay and a dinner gathering afterward in your Italian restuarant. Any HKRCSS member interested?

Name: Robin
Topic: To : 飛機友
Date: 6/7/2002
Time: 0:08:24

Message

May-be Tung Chee Wa have many money problems but i do'nt, I just open a new restaurant last week, may-be you come to fly in Discovery Bay with me & i'll give you a free Italian dinner!!. Everything is very good for me this year, thankyou for asking.. (Write a letter to Mr Tung and ask him to try our great sport to relieve some of his stress). What you mean the airport people are very nice, do you mean the flying site people ?? (If so, then you are correct, they are very friendly & helpful. I have to ask a chinese friend to read your message as i cannot read it, sorry, Chinese reading tooooo difficult for me to learn..!!....Happy Landings

Name: 新仔
Topic: 唔知副主席送不送貨?
Date: 5/7/2002
Time: 18:32:40

Message

董生: SCALE 安雅 都可能好野 要一隻送唔送賃?

Name: 董建華
Topic: 張柏芝公仔
Date: 5/7/2002
Time: 10:50:39

Message

新仔,建議你去性商店睇鵅A個到乜野吹氣公仔都有。有無《張柏芝》咁樣既就唔知啦。買都買《安雅》啦!

仲有,留言時按一次submit已夠,雖然個server係好慢。

Name: 新仔
Topic: 副主席
Date: 5/7/2002
Time: 8:53:04

Message

請問你有無 scale 張柏芝 CD / VCD 賣?

Name: Robin
Topic: To Glider lover
Date: 5/7/2002
Time: 1:40:48

Message

I have an idea, lets share the same hole, save us to dig 2 times, ok..

Name: 飛機友
Topic: 什麼是scale models?
Date: 4/7/2002
Time: 23:56:28

Message

如果MULTIPLEX 的 ASW 27 是scale model 那麼 XZY 的 仿 MULTIPLEX 的 MINI MILAN 是不是 SCALE TO MULTIPLEX MODEL:)?

Name: 飛機友
Topic: 找人!!!
Date: 4/7/2002
Time: 23:34:48

Message

董建華 & Robin 兄:小弟有興趣聽故事 發生了Й野事?有無D錢銀問題?小弟是一個愛飛和愛機之人 以前在機場個個師父 師兄都好 nice架!?

Name: Robert Yan ( yanr@netvigator.com)
Topic: To Glider Lover
Date: 4/7/2002
Time: 23:20:31

Message

Dear Glider Lover, I have flown RC helicopters and RC gliders. Please allow to express some of my views regarding the different posts recently. First of all, I am happy to see that you are using this website to express your ideas whatever they are. I am sure many others will agree with me that this is exactly what it is for… TO EXPRESS IDEAS REGARDING RC MATTERS.

Secondly, I hope you will keep on flying RC Gliders because it is just much fun to do so. It does not have the mess of fuel and noise. Yet they are graceful, silent and have many different kinds and shapes. The wind, air and sunshine at the slope are healthy to all and are free.

Regarding the glider which you bought and disliked (Tiny?), you may consider that you were buying just a glider and not a design. If you were buying a glider in a shop, you paid for it because you like it and you never cared which individual put up a design. I hope you feel better if you think like that.

Sometimes, I prefer some models which are copied from the real thing the more it is copied closely the more I like it. We called this “scale models”.

I sincerely hope that you will continue the fun of RC gliders. This because you are "Glider Lover". You will find that all the pilots of the HKRCSS are friendly and helpful. If you have some difficulty regarding RC Gliders, you are welcome to contact me by email or visit my website on RC Gliders at www.angelfire.com/ok5/soar/

Happy Landing to you whatever you are flying. Robert

Name: 飛機友
Topic: 哈哈出事啦!
Date: 4/7/2002
Time: 23:19:19

Message

本會會員如被發現利用本會職權而取得商業上利益,執委會有權從會員名單上把他除名 以上正是飛機會 會章第16條

Name: Glider Lover
Topic: Chester, you are a man
Date: 4/7/2002
Time: 20:34:23

Message

I do sorry for misunderstanding the goal of HK.CSS. And thank you for Chester who would like to give me a chance to test your new glider, but no thanks. I have stopped to launch my glider for a few months. Now, I concentrate on practice my new R/C helicopter, Raptor, in my spare-time. I was suprised what you wrote. "You are a real man."

TO: Robin,

Becareful when you go to a field, I have dig a big hole for you to go in as well. And, of course, I would kindly to fill this hole back in. No need to say thanks. Two years old baby!!!

Name: Robin
Topic: TO glider lover,           from a non member of the HKRCSS
Date: 3/7/2002
Time: 21:39:48

Message

You are a fool, you obviously have no understandings of what a FUN sport such as r/c gliders is all about....!! It supposed to be friendly, relaxing, & FUN. How do you think all these planes that you buy in the shops were invented ? I'll tell you, some guy built a plane, test flew it, improved it a bit, then sold it, now he has sold it he has the money to build a new & slightly better one than the last one. This cycle may go on for 20yrs before he can finally sell his finished model in the shops alongside the bigger name brands, for a good referance look at the "Jazz" a father son team who been playing with their wing design for ages, how could they improve it with-out selling some to the locals to fund this. So because of this YOU the consumer have a wider choice to fly whatever you like.............. As regards to your comments about hkrcss/rcsail.com being just about selling planes, What a real fool you are, Do you actually know any of the people involved in hkrcss ect? If you do then how can you mock them, they are the friendliest & most beneficial people to this sport, they are the people in HK who provide ALL pilots a referance & standard for our great sport,................ these guys have been flying since your mum was wiping your butt Mr glider-humper.. No-one i have ever met in HK thoughout 2yrs of playing with gliders have ever tried to hard sell a model, Maybe you (glider lover) are just a big baby, My advice to you is to go to a field, dig a hole, get in the hole, ask a friend (if you have any that is) "kindly fill the hole back in please"....

Name: Chester
Topic: Re:Non Commercial Site
Date: 3/7/2002
Time: 2:08:17

Message

Dear Fellow Pilots,

I would like to apologize to Stanley that I caused you and your Web site so embarrassed for this flame. I am sorry for any trouble caused to HKRCSS and fellow members.

Stanley and I proposed to start a club because of one reason: to let more people enjoy the pleasure of flying, helping new comer to fly. HKRCSS is an absolutely non-profitable organization. I have never taking the name of HKRCSS for any commercial activities. This is the bottom line.

But remember the nature of R/C flying, we are looking for fun. So please take it easy. If “Selling” is not allowed, we will not doing that anymore (may be turn it underground ;^>).

If you, Mr. FU, dislike the craftsmanship of the “COPY CAT” plane, just take it back to me any I will fully refund the 200 dollars to you. Well, this plane was built from the plan “TINY” (free published on the magazine), but we have modified the airfoil to utilized GWS gear. This cost me crashed 4 to 5 prototype and radio gears. Yet we stop to make it any more, because of extensive labor. Our planes are “hand made”, we are not profitable to buy high-tech machinery.

Now we concentrate on our own design sloper. Scratch build model is something causing you a lot of time and money. However during the progress, we can learn different kind of technique. In the old days, we build from ribs wing and box type fuse. Now looking to those high-tech sailplanes like “shooting star” or “NYX”, they made of hollow molded fiberglass wing and fuse. Once I own more than ten of this kind of sailplane. However they cost high and easy to broken.

We always have a question: Can we build it cheaper locally and more durable that makes more pilots affordable? We started to scratch build the fiberglass mould and tried different methods to made a fiberglass wing. The prototype was flown these days, we are so cheerful for the initial performance. We asked fellow pilot to test flying these days for more input, may be this let you have the impression for “HARD SELL”. If you, Mr. F.U., have interest, please let me know and I will arrange a test for you.

To be honest, I want to be commercial sailplane builder, which let me to become a full-time pilot. Unfortunately, this is impossible, the expense are much more than earns. But we are enjoy, since flying is a pleasure and let us have fun.

See you guys at the field.

Cheers Chester P.S. I always using real name on forum, I don't wants to hide away.

Name: Alex
Topic: Copy cat
Date: 2/7/2002
Time: 18:05:40

Message

F.U. Are you sure the one that you brought is Tiny? Same air foil, same building material. I can said you can find many, many similar electic funny plane. Just like detla wing, you can have Bomberang, Zagi, Jazz, Sonic,..... They are similar, but have difference performance.

That is.

Name: 董建華
Topic: 售賣滑翔機
Date: 1/7/2002
Time: 11:00:38

Message

FU 兄,唔該你唔好打晒成個會喎,個別會員既私人活動,同個會無關。唔通第日有會員放飛機時獸性大發,強姦女觀眾,你又入個會數?

Name: F.U
Topic: Copy cat
Date: 1/7/2002
Time: 2:07:55

Message

I also hate somebody always sale their handmade glider in the flying place. ALWAYS HARD SALE!!!, e.g. in Clear Water Bay. Mr. Chan is a good person and professional guy. He doesn't hard sale. What I hate is that somebody have sold the COPY PLANE as their design, a kind of eletronic Fun Fly. Some of the foundation member of HK.XXSS member said this is their design. Who brought this electonic fun fly is a fool. I DO SORRY ABOUT TO SAY THAT. Once I brought this plane, I recovered that this is a eletronic fun fly, TINY, I can find it from the wed site of www.rcstore.com.

What a COPY CAT!!!!

The goal of the club is prefect. but the foundation member of HK.RXXSS is commercial.

Name: 董建華
Topic: 出售滑翔機
Date: 30/6/2002
Time: 19:30:41

Message

Glider Lover, 人地係機場賣機,純屬人地既自由及商業活動,又唔係犯法,關你乜事隉I你有本事都可以自己砌機賣格。方唔係人地架機好飛過你個架,你心有不甘,兼且眼紅。

有你咁既小人,都可謂香港滑翔機界既不幸。

Name: Alex SO
Topic: 唔好講粗口!!!!!!!1
Date: 29/6/2002
Time: 19:55:09

Message

Hi 鰜蚼n向賣飛機鶡鴘B友!請尊重自已人格,唔好講粗口, 鰣輕銩|飛.....滑翔機的朋友,大部分儮麰蜀鰽硎c都非常有認識,對制作一隻滑翔機唔會太困難,我鰣肊O度交流一鵅A同將的資料和技術互相交流,而唔鰬鱁等芛N!如個想做生意可以用其他方法。 自重!自重!

Name: FE
Topic: About "glider lover"
Date: 29/6/2002
Time: 18:45:17

Message

I think what "glider lover" means is selling gliders at the flying sites (places). Maybe he saw Uncle Chan's van full of gliders and misunderstand that the HKRCSS (club) is profit making.

Just can't figure out what makes him/her so "sick" . .

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Non Commercial Site
Date: 29/6/2002
Time: 0:44:54

Message

Dear Glider Lover,

What made you feel we are selling gliders? This site aims is to provide information for people with interest in r/c soaring and definitely non-commercial. If you are mentioning the glider club (HKRCSS) we belong to, your criticism is totally fault. HKRCSS is a non-profit organization registered under the society ordinance of HK. Our goal is to promote the sport of r/c soaring and to raise the local standard of the sport. We welcome you all to join the club if you enjoy the beauty of r/c soaring. The beauty of this sport is not just the soaring itself, we need to learn to cooperate, to tolerate and to share, that is the real fun of it. Be enjoy!

Name: Glider Lover
Topic: Ya Ya Ya
Date: 28/6/2002
Time: 19:31:48

Message

Ya! Ya! Ya! I do F.ing agree it.

Name: Me
Topic: 滑翔機賣買廣告
Date: 28/6/2002
Time: 11:44:55

Message

Hello,.. 董建華 I do not know you also fly gliders. Where do you fly? In China?

Name: 董建華
Topic: 滑翔機賣買廣告
Date: 28/6/2002
Time: 11:15:19

Message

咁都唔得,唔咪係嗎?

咁撚多要求,咪自己搞個網頁囉。

Name: Another Glider Lover
Topic: Want to say something
Date: 28/6/2002
Time: 7:56:18

Message

Hi, Glider Lover, I do not think this is a place to sell gliders. This is place for Glider Lovers to share their experiences, ideas and ways to enjoy this glider sport. Although there is a section helping other glider lovers to find something they wanted or getting ridding of something they do not want any more. I do not find this website a commercial website or any "product" it is selling. It does, however, give you ways to look for products that you wanted to buy in the links pages.

Do you always fly gliders alone? Do you share your experiences with your friends? Maybe you have friends to fly with in the slopes and share experiences with them. This is a place (the website) where you can share experiences with many "unknown" friends and pilots at home with a computer.

Fly well and happy landing.

Name: Glider Lover
Topic: Wants to say something
Date: 27/6/2002
Time: 20:11:13

Message

Places for glider sport is flying glider. This is not a place to sell you glider. We sick of it!!! Please stop to do it. if you want to sell your copy glider, please open a shop to do it. Don't build up a club and utilize that to sell your product. This is so annoying. Thank you very much in deeppppp.

Name: Osama bin Laden
Topic: Fibreglass cloth
Date: 26/6/2002
Time: 16:25:43

Message

Available at the larger hardware shop. Sold only in large quantity (relative to modelling use). Original use (as it appears to the hardware shop): repair of full size boat and yatch.

Alternatively, you can always mail order them from the model shops in the UK and US.

Name: ball
Topic: fiberglass cloth
Date: 25/6/2002
Time: 10:18:22

Message

Where can I buy fine fiberglass cloth? thanks

Name: Tester
Topic: Testing
Date: 18/6/2002
Time: 22:58:58

Message

Testing

Name: jerome
Topic: DIY
Date: 18/6/2002
Time: 15:39:45

Message

有無人or網子教人做滑翔機?

Name: 煩人
Topic: 教人做滑翔機的網址
Date: 18/6/2002
Time: 11:34:34

Message

此website已有,見http://www.rcsail.com/article_beetle.htm

Name: jerome
Topic: D.I.Y
Date: 17/6/2002
Time: 15:18:09

Message

有無人or網子教人make滑翔機?

Name: Fleseriu Tiberiu
Topic: FM R/C remote controller and reciver
Date: 16/6/2002
Time: 5:00:07

Message

I don't have enough knolodge to build an FM R/C remote controller and reciver so please try to send me a scheme of a FM radio transmiter and reciver (2 channels and at least 50 ft range) my adress:www.fleseriutiberiu@yahoo.com

Name: John
Topic: Good markings - Aircraft Arts
Date: 11/6/2002
Time: 16:55:24

Message

Aviation Art - 26 high qaulity pics

http://gallery.letectvi.cz

Name: Ming Lou
Topic: How to start
Date: 9/6/2002
Time: 1:19:19

Message

Bob, I go the website and find there are many file. Would you please tell me which one I should download and how to start. Thank Ming

Name: Ringo
Topic: Ripmax TX interface
Date: 5/6/2002
Time: 10:08:23

Message

The Ripmax can use two stick and four functions (Axis) joystick.

Name: K.Y.Mak
Topic: Ripmax TX interface
Date: 4/6/2002
Time: 21:16:23

Message

Hello Bob, Where did you buy the Ripmax TX interface? I've been to the Ripmax website, but they didn't say where to buy the item! I live in Hongkong, so I think mail order house will be the best place to look for! All the best! Mak

Name: Bob Hedges
Topic: new FREWARE RC GLIDER SIM (Flight model from NASA langley!!)
Date: 3/6/2002
Time: 20:41:27

Message

Hello all, just thought id tell you about this new FREEWARE rc sim ive stumbled across during my travels, it uses flight data from NASA langley Aeroneutical flight research labs.............enjoy!!!!!

P.S. I use a ripmax tx interface lead to plug into my rc tx box, but it can also be controled using a joystick or the mouse, Seems almost as realistic as my real rc glider.

Download it from here!!!!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crrcsim/files/

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Frequency control
Date: 28/5/2002
Time: 13:44:28

Message

When only a few pilots are present, we only call out the frequency channel to make sure nobody is using it. During weekend when there are a lot of pilots, we have a bank form with slots in various frequency bands for the pilots to fill in. When a pilot who writes down his name and frequency used in the slot, he has to check if the same frequency channel is being used. If that is the case, he has the responsibility to find out who is using the same frequency as his and to arrange for a share among them. The problem for this is; the new arrival who usually just calls out the frequency being used and listens for a respond if any from the pilot using this frequency. If there were no respond, he would assume the pilot has already left the scene. But sometimes the pilot using the channel actually is flying the plane but somehow too concentrates and ignores the call of his frequency, then he would be the victim of frequency jam! This problem is one of the major sources of frequency jams in our field and we are trying to work out a remedy for this.

Name: Mark Willis
Topic: Frequency Control at Slopes
Date: 27/5/2002
Time: 19:19:09

Message

Hi,

Can you please tell me how frequencies are managed at the slopes in HK? Seems to be a lot of planes when the wind is right, but I am not sure how you manage to keep people from txing on occupied frequencies.

Thanks

Name: R Yan
Topic: FVK ASW24
Date: 27/5/2002
Time: 15:37:29

Message

Hi Lam, you are welcome to bring your ASW24 to my house and I will finish it together with you. I have emailed to you my contact number separately. Good luck.

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: FVK ASW24
Date: 23/5/2002
Time: 18:36:46

Message

Hi Lam, I have recently completed a 3.5m ASW24 made by Rippin, Germany. I wondered if it is similar to yours. I have therefore uploaded a pic for you to check if it is. www.angelfire.com/ok5/soar/ASW-24.jpg Please let me know if it is similiar and what kind of difficulty you run into. My email yanr@netvigator.com Hope that I can help.

Name: Lam
Topic: Installing control linkage for FVK ASW24
Date: 22/5/2002
Time: 19:16:04

Message

I 've bought a FVK ASW24. There is no preinstalled control linkage for rudder and the accessories provided are quite primitive. Anyone having experience on this model? thanks.

Name: Jason
Topic: Fitting a canopy
Date: 17/5/2002
Time: 9:45:56

Message

Thanks, Robert!

My new glider is called bandit

http://www.fvk.de/Englisch/Bandit.html http://www.aero-model.com/planes/fvk/bandit/main.htm

Here is the detail,

Wingspan: 140cm Length: 85cm Profile: RG 14 Wing Area: 24,2 dm²

There is no mounting tools or parts provided for Canopy. Besides the Canopy in front, I've got two small canopy for covering the wing servos. Should I drill holes for mounting them as well or should I tape them?

my e-mail: jason@atcotoys.com

Name: Robert
Topic: Jason - Fitting a canopy
Date: 16/5/2002
Time: 22:45:12

Message

There are many ways to secure a canopy to a glider depending on how much scale effect you wish to have. Tape is not safe as up in the air due to temperature difference you may have condensation on the surface which renders the tape unsecure and you may lose your canopy if you do loops and rolls. Please give me your email address and I will send you some sketches. You must tell me your glider span, name of glider, and what kind of accessories for mounting is supplied. (More details will be helpful) My email >> yanr@netvigator.com

Name: Grahame
Topic: Beetle slope soarer
Date: 16/5/2002
Time: 19:31:18

Message

Hi again,

Here are some photos of my 39" span Beetle, as well as another of my correx gliders:

http://clubs.lycos.com/live/Directory/PhotoAlbum.asp?CG=r8rvhrh3on9133le004cfcdhuo&AID=288963

Grahame

Name: Jason
Topic: Fitting the Canopy
Date: 16/5/2002
Time: 17:30:56

Message

Would it be strong enough to have the canopy fitted using only tape? a normal one? Is it necessary to drill some holes and to screw it up? Or is there any better way to fit the canopy to the fuselage?

Name: Jason
Topic: Foam Wing Servo mounting
Date: 16/5/2002
Time: 17:20:11

Message

Thanks Robert !

I've bought 2 mini servo (Hitec HG 55), contact cement, double stick mounting tape and 1/6 " ply. I will start working tonight.

Once again, thanks for all who share their experience with me.

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: Jason - Foam Wing Servo mounting
Date: 16/5/2002
Time: 14:29:46

Message

Hi Jason. Good to see that many people use this forum to exchange ideas. If you use glass cloth you need to use a solution which we call "fibre-glass solution". You can get from wanchai, mongkok, or central, in Chinese chemical shops which sells metal goods and construction materials. It is not terribly expensive. There are kits (box) each containing one bottle of solution (about 1 litre) one bottle of hardener (you need only a few drops), two pieces of glass cloth and a brush. They sell under HK$45. However, this solution will melt the foam of you wings. Unless you are very careful to apply such a solution otherwise it is not practical to use on foam materials. In your case since your servo well is 40mm, it is big enough for a mini-servo. If not you can slightly enlarge it to fit your ordinary servo. This is how I fix my servos. First, you glue a 1/6" ply on the floor with A+B 5 min Epoxy. Apply a little contact cement on the ply and your servo, and use double stick tape to glue the servo on to the ply. The contact cement is to ensure a firm glue between the double stick tape. Finally, you need to finish the surface of the wing. Apply again contact cement on top of the servo, and press down a well fit balsa wood (with contact cement facing the servo) of thickness bigger than your wing. Use A+B epoxy again to finish the joints. Keep the grain of your balsa along the same direction as the grain of your wing. When everything is dry up, sand the balsa flush of the wing. Of course you will leave a slot of about 3mm X 15mm for your servo arm. Do not worry reinforcing the cut opening of the foam which may weaken the wing structure. Most of the carrying strength of the wing is on its skin, ie, the balsa or obechi, although the foam may contribute part of the strength of the wing. If you wish to further reinforce the wing, then you can use some "fibre-glass solution" on top of your wing only in an area slightly larger than the servo well. Hope this helps.

Name: Grahame
Topic: About Beetle
Date: 16/5/2002
Time: 14:28:25

Message

Hi Stanley,

Thanks for your reply, my Beetle is now ready to fly when we have some wind!

I replaced the 4.8V/700mAh NiCad with a 6V/300mAh NiMh battery which is much lighter, so now the model weighs just 8 3/4oz. Hopefully this will mean it flies without any problems, and I'll let you know how I get on when I've flown it.

By the way, do you fly your Beetles with any 'up' elevator built in to act as reflex?

Thanks,

Grahame

Name: Jason
Topic: Glass Cloth
Date: 16/5/2002
Time: 12:51:32

Message

Thanks, Willy! Your advice has been very helpful.

I've visited Tak Cheong yesterday. The Robbe servo lock system is good but is too large for my servo well (only 40mm dia.).

I might try the method using glass cloth. But where can I buy it? What does it call in chinese ?

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: About Beetle
Date: 16/5/2002
Time: 5:03:51

Message

Hi Grahame,

Thanks for your interest in Beetle. I have built 39" and 52" versions of Beetles and they all fly great. I modified the original 26" square wing tip shape to elliptic shape and it is not just look great but also fly more stable with less drag. I used 3mm Coroplast sheets for both 39" and 52" models so I think they are more heavier than yours since yours uses 2mm sheets. It is very important to make the plane as light as possible. I was DSing my 52" Beetle two weeks ago and it's just so fast, robust and very stable in the DSing circles. I really enjoy building these planes and certainly hope you will also do.

Cheers

Stanley

Name: Willy Lim
Topic: Mounting wing servos
Date: 15/5/2002
Time: 15:45:47

Message

There're several ways. First, glue the servos directly to the hole using epoxy or silicone. The downside is that taking the servo out later is a messy job.

Second, use the Robbe servo lock system (on sale at Tak Cheong on HK Island), whereby it's only the lock that is glued to the hole, the servo being fastened in the lock in a way that is readily removable.

Third, glass cloth the servo hole floor, then attached the servo to the glass cloth by means of the thick Scotch double sided sticky tape. It's cheap and robust enough for everyday use.

Name: Jason
Topic: need help - Mounting Servos into a moulded Wing
Date: 14/5/2002
Time: 18:46:55

Message

Could anyone tell me the best way to mount the servo on the molded wings? I am frustrated / confused.

I’ve just bought my second glider - FVK bandit. The wing is made of foam veneer covered in Oracover. I am just wondering how to mount the servos on the wings. The wing servo walls were machined. Should I glue the servo directly with epoxy or expoxy + micro balloons? What is micro balloon? Someone in US suggest to get glass/carbon/kelvar cloth adhered properly before inserting the servo? Is it necessary?

Best Regards Jason

Name: Grahame
Topic: Beetle sloper
Date: 13/5/2002
Time: 22:18:28

Message

Hi Stanley and everyone else,

I've almost finished a 'Beetle' slope soarer from your plans, however mine is 39" span. I enlarged it and built the model before finding your plan on the website for one of the same size, but that has proved excellent in giving me the CG position!

Mine is all 2mm correx with blue foam ribs, and when finished the wing loading should be around 10oz/sq.ft. - does this sound about right?

Thanks and congratulations on the great site,

Grahame (Greece)

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: About Northeast Sailplane. - Reply to Stanley
Date: 10/5/2002
Time: 23:00:26

Message

Thanks ! Stanley. Now I am glad that they didn't reply to my emails or I would have gone through the same bad experience again. I am aware of their relatively high price but 6 months of lead time for delivery ??!! that's . . . . .

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: NSP - don't buy from them!
Date: 10/5/2002
Time: 22:23:38

Message

Hi Y.C., Most of us in the rc/ sailplane circle know that NSP is a company with ridiculous service, a lot of people hate them - don't buy from them! I myself have similar problem with them few years ago and I never buy from them since. They charged my credit card immediately I placed the order and .... the good was delivered six months later! They never answered my emails for the traces of the order. Also, their products (those not made in US, in particular) are comparatively expensive. With alternative source, you can buy it much cheaper elsewhere, sometimes, the cost difference can be as high as 200%!

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: Northeast sailplane
Date: 10/5/2002
Time: 16:33:28

Message

Has anyone contacted or ordered anything from this company recently ? I have sent them several emails asking for shipping information but I am not getting any reply. Is it possible that they are no longer in the business ?

Name: 拉登
Topic: 新手
Date: 9/5/2002
Time: 15:38:42

Message

請睇本年一月有關初學者MING的留言,及去年有關初學的其他留言。這堣ㄕA重複。

Name: 新手一名
Topic: 有意玩想滑翔机
Date: 8/5/2002
Time: 20:35:19

Message

我想學玩滑翔机,初學玩那種机好?我只有12歲.(二手有沒有?) 回去jeromeyeung@yahoo.com.hk please

Name: 董建華
Topic: Michael 與像真戰機  
Date: 7/5/2002
Time: 15:17:43

Message

大佬呀,潮流唔興咪無咯。

Name: BIGTOE
Topic: Slope flying
Date: 3/5/2002
Time: 22:19:34

Message

Check this link out on DSing. http://shredair.com/album/dsfest7.html

Name: Michael(舊會員)
Topic: ??
Date: 30/4/2002
Time: 1:10:07

Message

為可天空沒像真戰机在天空飛翔,現在的不是戰机只是一般滑翔机在天空飛翔.

Name: Descent
Topic: Sorry...是輝哥!
Date: 28/4/2002
Time: 22:15:29

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打錯字...

Name: Descent
Topic: 多謝輝歌及Ken...還有教過我們的熱心師傅!
Date: 28/4/2002
Time: 21:49:29

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我們多得大家耐心教導!終能享受操控的樂趣!

Name: MingFai
Topic: Futaba New Product
Date: 27/4/2002
Time: 12:32:36

Message

Small size 4-channel receiver form Futaba.

http://www.futaba-rc.com/radios/futj52-03a.jpg

Name: Oliver LEE
Topic: Arrived!!!!
Date: 23/4/2002
Time: 0:51:48

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For those who have ordered Multiplex Stuntman and other FVK models, please give me a call or email me. The all arrived!! Looking forward to see our 20 Stuntman in line taking photos in Clearwater Bay. For FVK, I have ordered ASW24, Trendy, Tango, Mini Prima, Implus and Bandit. Go to www.fvk.de and find out.

Name: Willy Lim
Topic: 1.《漁農處》准許郊野公園放滑翔機的信件  2. 保險詳情
Date: 22/4/2002
Time: 12:28:10

Message

I can't find the hyperlinks to these at all. Stanley please help.

Name: K.Y Mak
Topic: 飛鵝山遺下了 Jess 床板机人!
Date: 21/4/2002
Time: 20:40:13

Message

今天下午在飛鵝山西南位放机,走時忘了把一架螢光青色的 Jess Xtrem 帶走。 回到家時才發現帶少了机、可是天已黑了。 可能已有師兄替我帶走、否則應己被其他行山人拾去了! 如有師兄拾到,請email到 i4kai@yahoo.com 通知我。 十分多謝幫忙。

亞Mak

Name: Patrick
Topic: Sea-plane
Date: 21/4/2002
Time: 1:21:30

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Hi Robin, take a look of this website http://www.hobby-lobby.com/aventura.htm

Name: Robin
Topic: Sea-plane
Date: 20/4/2002
Time: 22:56:23

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Hi Stanley, My plan is to sit on the beach, take off from the water, land on the water & stop @ the beach. Thats the plan but knowing me something else will happen....!! Do you think i should just modify a "twin-star" or "swallow" for water/sand landings, as a test first.?? Thanks for you advice in advance.

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: 2mm Coroplast sheet
Date: 18/4/2002
Time: 22:16:34

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Hi Y.C., I built my Beetle (the green one as described in the article) using 2mm Coroplast sheets. The other Beetles I built are all 3mm versions. Nearly all the shops in HK sell only 3mm sheets. I bought the 2mm sheets (26" x 20") in a bookshop (大眾書局) in Lok Fu 樂富商場, the shop is near the market in the ground floor and there is an electric shop nearby.

Stanley

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: Supply of 2mm thick Coroplast
Date: 18/4/2002
Time: 21:02:26

Message

Does anyone know where I can get 2mm thick Coroplast ? I managed to get 3mm Coroplast at a big plastic sheet supply store at 新填地街 but they don't have Coroplast of other thickness. I believe I will need 2mm in case weight is an issue for my new plane.

Thanks,

Y C Lui

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Hand Launch Glider and Seaplane
Date: 18/4/2002
Time: 17:53:01

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Hi, we indeed need to find some flat grass fields to practice HLG. I am thinking the possibility of booking some of the football pitches in Kowloon sides, such as those in Boundary St. or Kowloon City. Any other suggestion?

Robin, is your "Spruce Goose" intent for hand launch while you are swimming around? As a glider follower, I hate to see engine and motor as such. I think you should design a seaglider which can surf and DS on the water waves. I think Coroplast is water proof and should be dam good material for building seaglider.

Name: Robin
Topic: Hello every-one
Date: 18/4/2002
Time: 0:52:05

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You all forget about me or wot.....!! I am trying to build a electric Seaplane "Spruce Goose", modelled on the first real sea-plane. I can fly very near-by with calm waters & smooth un-used beaches in DiscoBay. Any-body have any experiance ?, i'm thinking 4 cell, 40 inch wing (in 2 halfs), i'm worried about engine size & also the water supports attached to the wings......any tips ??? (Need's to take off & land from water.)

Name: MingFai
Topic: Hand Launch Glider
Date: 17/4/2002
Time: 23:37:50

Message

There will be a HLG contest at mid of june, is there any good soaring site to practice HLG ??

Name: Ken
Topic: FMS cable
Date: 16/4/2002
Time: 23:14:16

Message

Anybody has interest on the FMS software can visit http://www.heliguy.com/nexus/fmsinterface.html to see how to make the cable, it is a simple cable connecting to printer port.

Name: Ken Ma
Topic: FMS cable
Date: 16/4/2002
Time: 23:09:24

Message

Kong, Go to the website: http://www.heliguy.com/nexus/fmsinterface.html It teach you how to make the cable, it is a cable connecting to printer port.

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: Coroplast glider
Date: 16/4/2002
Time: 22:23:53

Message

Inspired by Stanley's successful Bettle and KC's delta wing, I have decided that a coroplast glider will be my next project. The plane in my mind is an F117 with swept-back wings that are very close to a delta. Can anyone suggest airfoils that are suitable for such configuration ?

With many thanks,

Y C Lui

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Coroplast thickness
Date: 16/4/2002
Time: 18:38:56

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Hi Dave, I have built several models using 2mm and 3mm Coroplast sheets. I can't find any difference in performance they have, only 3mm is a bit heavier. The Corex sheet is just added to the core, but make sure to compress the Corex at the LE and TE to have round sharp edges. I am currently building a 40" version with an elliptic wing using 3mm Corex sheet. Without a spar, I think 3mm is preferable for wingspan over 40".

Enjoy!

Stanley

Name: Dave Greer
Topic: Building the Beetle
Date: 16/4/2002
Time: 18:19:51

Message

I have not been to see which thickness of Corex sheeting the Beetle uses - (2mm or 3mm or 4mm) - we have very few colours in the 2mm so would like to check first. The rough conversion to inches as: 3mm - 1/8 inch 2mm - 1/12 inch 4mm - 1/6 inch

Does the HN section have to be reduced to take account of the skin thickness or is the Corex simply added to the original section?

Thank you - an excellent web site.

Dave Greer Durban

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: Oliver, Ng Ming & Y C - Lenger Co. -- VAT
Date: 15/4/2002
Time: 23:13:45

Message

I am sorry to hear about the unhappiness of getting the VAT refund for the purchase of some gliders. VAT is actually the tax imposed to local people and local sales only and is always exempted to visitors and export sales. They should not ask for a VAT in first place because it is an export sale. Since a few of our HKRCSS members have the same unhappy experience from the same company, I suggest that a registered official letter of complaint from the HKRCSS can be made and forwarded to the HK German Consulate and bring up this matter officially, especially copies of information from Oliver’s recent post in the forum. Make sure a copy of this letter is sent to this Lenger Co.

Upon receipt of this letter the German Tax Authority will check if VAT was deducted from your order or not. (Make sure you supply all the details regarding your order/s.) If Lenger intended to cheat, they must have deducted the VAT to the Government and pocket the amount. In this case they are in trouble else they must return your money.

I had the same experience of claiming some VAT from an Indian company in UK. After 6 months of chasing and exchanges of letters, I found myself getting nowhere for the claim. I finally wrote and complained to the UK Air Port Customs Office through which my goods were exported and cc a copy of my letter to this Indian co., I got my VAT refund in 2 weeks.

I wish you luck.

Name: Oliver Lee
Topic: Don't Buy From Lenger - Reply to Ng Ming and YC
Date: 15/4/2002
Time: 18:18:00

Message

YC/Ng Ming,

Actually, I had the same message as YC received from Lenger. They told me that they will refund me the VAT by faxing them the receipt from post office. I then asked them why not deducted the amount from the price and save from refund, (remit charge is something like HK$150) Besides,I asked from credit card payment but they said they had past problem with the credit card payment. So I wire transfer the money to them.

But when I faxed back the receipt (paper on the box and signed paper to the postman), he said it's not enough. He demand me paper from the Hongkong Custom Office. Oh God! Hongkong is a free port and there is no such thing. So I made up one myself to see whether he was playing tricks on me or not. I faxed the 'paper' to him. But further bull shit as follows: Dear Oliver,

sorry for late reply. We exhibit our models on a big fairground in Sinsheim/Germany and came back few days ago. Sitting in front of a mountain of e-mails.

We got your faxes. Faxes are okay. Only one further problem. Tax Office has finished the check of our documents, invoices etc. for year 2000 now. The result was, that they didn´t acctepted invoices which was addressed to "Heinrich Lenger AND Lenger Modellbau" or only to "Heinrich Lenger" etc. Such adresses was during the last 30 years no problem. And the most important for you is, that they didn´t accepted COPYS or FAXES of costum confirmations of foreign countries, for example Hongkong. They only accept the original now and in future. So they want, that we shall pay a lot more tax for year 2000.

So please send your original tax confirmation with original stamp to:

LENGER Modellbau Weidach 10 83329 Waging Germany

Afterwards we send you back the confirmation and the VAT, cash in cover. Sorry for these troubles.

I think the background of these troubles is, that the german state has no more money. After the association with eastern germany the government pumped 1 Billion Euro into Eastern Germany. Senseless. Since this time the german tax offices are very creative in finding new sources of money.

Best regards

Heinrich

Lenger is on purposely using wire-transfer since you cannot get back the money even you found problem. Credit card, you can claim the amount back. When they received your money, they will send you the model but not the VAT back, by giving every reasons they can have.

DON'T BUY FROM THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oliver

Name: Ng Ming
Topic: Lenger Modellbau
Date: 15/4/2002
Time: 16:06:16

Message

Hi ! Y.C.,

I have no VAT deduction with my previous orders with Lenger but it was agreed & known.

However, I would like to call for the cases with the deals with 4 different model shops in Germeny and France. Originally, they quoted me the price with including VAT but finally, they deduct that value of money(VAT) as my request and then invoices shown the net price only. Meanwhile, I got no trouble with the refund procedure, no matter I paid through "credit card" and/or "TT".

Hope you have your refund as soon as possible !

Name: Joseph Lee
Topic: Coroplast RC planes
Date: 15/4/2002
Time: 14:25:27

Message

Hi All, I am from HongKong but have been in Los Angeles USA since 1967. I saw Stanley Chan's wonderful creation The Beatle posted by one of our www.spadtothebone.com message board members. We are dedicated in building and fly coroplast rc planes and have kick the balsa habits. Please take a look at our site and visit the message board, I have learn more from this site and mssge brd than I can ever imagine!!! There are people and free plans from all over the world! I am having so much fun and saved lots of money because these planes are almost indistructable but most important we share friendship and knowledge!!!

You guys have a great club and site, when I get back to HK I will most certainly look you guys up and go fly.

Best Regards, (Star-Rider) my call sign Joseph Lee

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: Lenger Modellbau
Date: 11/4/2002
Time: 18:42:23

Message

Dear Mr. Ng,

Would you mind clarifying a bit on what's meant by " . . . money stated in your invoice is the "net" that you should pay . . . ". Did you pay by wire transfer ? Did Lenger deduct the VAT from the price quoted in email / invoice so that you only paid the "net" instead of asking for VAT refund afterwards ? I made an enquiry to Lenger the other day and their reply was as follows :

******************************************************************************** We require payment in advance for merchandise and shipping. Payment in Euros should be made to our bank account as follows:

Bank: Kreissparkasse Traunstein-Trostberg 71052050, Gs. Waging, Salzburger Str. 4, 83329 Waging, Germany

Payee: Heinrich Lenger, Weidach 10, Waging 83329

Account # : 5258546

SHIPPING via: Postal Service Austria

Delivery directly to your home adress. Duty is payed to parcel service.

After receipt of model please send us the original of custom confirmation in letter. After receipt of the confirmation we send the VAT in HK-Dollar in registerd letter to you.

It's not possible to deduct the VAT in advance. We got problems with tax office. ********************************************************************************

Name: Ng Ming
Topic: Lenger Modellbau
Date: 11/4/2002
Time: 13:29:03

Message

Having received a phone call from Willy, I've been told there is an argument on the VAT issue. I guess I am not in the position to make any comment to this case but I am happy to descript my 4 orders of models from Lenger during the past 3 years. At the very beginning, I did discuss with Lenger that no VAT was encountered, so everything was running as usual, making payment through bank, receiving of planes and then happy flying. One thing is very important that before making payment, you should check carefully with the details of your invoice . Make sure every thing required is included. Normally, the amount of money stated in your invoice is the "net" that you should pay for, otherwise, an remark of "VAT" will be mentioned.

Name: KC
Topic: Allan -Lost Control -Ballast
Date: 10/4/2002
Time: 19:34:14

Message

Allan, Below is an article extracted from Northeast Sailplane products wedsite which talked about ballast. May be it will solve your queires.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

How To Use Ballast Properly

By: Sal DeFrancesco

The use of ballast in any sailplane is often misunderstood. The object of ballasting is to increase wingloading. This shifts the speed range upward. The stall speed is faster, as is the minimum sinkrate speed. Most importantly, the best L/D speed is faster. That’s what we are looking to accomplish. Ballasting is an art that is best learned with experience and experimentation but here are some guidelines to get you started.

On the slope, the easy way to determine the amount of ballast you need is to rely on the normal trim point of your sailplane. Launch the sailplane into the wind and fly. If you need to use down trim or have trouble penetrating, land and add ballast until the sailplane will move around the hill without any trim changes. If the wind begins to lighten up, you will notice that the sailplane needs to have up elevator trim in order to stay up. If this is the case, land and remove some ballast. With experience you will have a fairly good idea of approximately what amount of ballast you will need for a given wind condition and direction. Don’t be afraid to experiment with different amounts to see the effects on your sailplane.

Always remember to put the ballast on the CG of the sailplane so you do not change the balance and trim. At higher speeds this could be disastrous. A ballasted sailplane will have a higher stall speed, so keep this in mind when landing. And secure your ballast so that it won’t move around in the fuselage.

Name: Willy Lim
Topic: Refusal by Lenger to make VAT refund
Date: 10/4/2002
Time: 16:01:37

Message

This seems to be a hallmark of this company.

I can't understand their reasons. It can't be their attempt to pocket the money since all of this VAT has to go to the German government as tax revenue. The company just can't keep it.

Seems they simply can't be bothered with the paperwork.

I heard that a company in Austria is selling the same range of gliders as Lenger, and this Austrian company is happy to make VAT refund.

Name: Y C  Lui
Topic: DON'T BUY FROM LENGER MODELLAU ??
Date: 8/4/2002
Time: 23:16:55

Message

Dear Oliver,

I am sorry about your unhappy experience but would you mind explaining a bit more so that we can get a clearer understanding on what had happened ? A few months ago I ordered a 2 meter ASW 28 from Lenger. They quoted the price by email and I paid by telegraphic transfer which seems to be their standard method of payment for international orders. The transaction was very smooth and my glider was delivered by post in about 2 weeks' time. I did not recall VAT being mentioned in the process although it is quite possible that I had overlooked the issue.

Y C Lui

Name: Oliver Lee
Topic: DON'T BUY FROM LENGER MODELLAU
Date: 8/4/2002
Time: 20:03:12

Message

Don't buy things from them. They will try to cheat you pay by remittance and then refund you the VAT when things arrived by faxing them the postman receipt. When you faxed them the receipt, they will say they need custom clear document. After faxing them the custom document, they will say that fax is not okay, need original....... Every other reason that they cannot refund you the VAT.

I am still claiming my money via the German Consumer Council........

Don't buy from LENGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name: Willy Lim
Topic: 竹角
Date: 8/4/2002
Time: 14:44:48

Message

The flying site in 竹角,is it the one near to 科大? If so, this site is commonly simply known as 科大。

See the pages on "Flying Sites-other minor sites" on this website for info. Accessibility has improved slightly after a couple of guys including myself literally hacked our way to the hill top at the beginning of this year.

Present condition is however unknown.

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: Allan - Lost control - ballast
日期: 2/4/2002
時間: 16:17:31

Message

Hi Allan. I believe your polyhedral plane is a light (weight) one which is suitable for light wind conditions or thermal flying. It is best for you to construct another pair of wings without polyhedral, shorter wing span, and with some dihedral say 3 degrees each side. I believe also that the wings are strapped on with rubber bands, so that in light wind conditions you can use your original wings and in stronger winds change your shorter wings and adjust the cg accordingly. The characterists of the tilted-up part of the polyhedral portion of the wing gives a tremendous lift when the wings and not perfectly horizontal. This action assists the turning of the plane by using a rudder. If your wings are of large span the plane is very unstable in heavy wind but flies very well in light wind conditions. It is very easy to be blown overhead if your cg is not correct. Regarding the weight of the ballast to be added, it depends on many features and as our friends Robin and Willy said it is best to use the trial and error method. One of most important features is the construction (structure) of your fuselage. Too light a ballast won't help, and too heavy a ballast in strong wind can break your plane in the air if the fuselage is not strong enough. However, in FeiNgoShan in wind condition of about 15-20 knots, South Wind, try a 4 oz to 6 oz a little forward of your cg. Hope this helps. Happy landing.

Name: Robin
Topic: Alan / ballast
日期: 1/4/2002
時間: 21:47:59

Message

NO IDEA....!! I like to use trial & error, this way you normally will learn more things than you planned too..

Name: Alan Ho
Topic: Being blow backward
日期: 1/4/2002
時間: 20:11:32

Message

Robin and Willy, thanks for your advices. Regarding ballast, can you give me an idea on how much weight should be added on different wind condition. Would trial and error be the best approach!!:) BTW, anyone kown the condition of the flying site near Chuk Kok. Can we fly there now?

Name: Tsz Ming
Topic: My website launch today!
日期: 29/3/2002
時間: 1:34:10

Message

Dear all RC sailplane guy My website http://www.windrider.com.hk was launch today! Please go have a look and comment. Better can send me some image and movie file. And I find a nice RC website http://www.ezonemag.com/ All update information there.

Name: Robin
Topic: Being blown backwards
日期: 27/3/2002
時間: 20:08:32

Message

If the wind is this strong that the plane is forced backwards maybe your plane is not set up correctly..!! More ballast, or not enough down elevator throw (or a cg problem). Maybe this plane is just not suitable for such a strong wind, Just a thought, Good luck for next time.

Name: Willy Lim
Topic: Plane being blown backwards
日期: 27/3/2002
時間: 16:03:48

Message

I think you did all you could with a trainer. Pushing the plane into a dive by applying down elevator is the standard maneveour of getting out of such situation.

Next time turn a good distance and well away from the summit when you're flying a trainer.

Name: Alan Ho
Topic: Lose control
日期: 27/3/2002
時間: 11:10:53

Message

A few weeks ago, I almost lost my plane at Fei Ngo Shan. The eastern wind blown pretty strong on that day. When I had a slow turn facing the wing, the plane almost stop moving and I immediately pushed down the plan but in vain. The plane started to move backward just like a kite. The plane finally flew to the back until I lost sight of it. Fortunately, after 2 hours searching I found my plane on a steep slope near the downhill road without serious damage. Would you guys kind to advise me what should I do if this difficult situation arise. Should I always keep a high speed turn when the wind is strong to avoid this situation? The plane is a trainer plane with polyhedral. Does it matter?

Name: Patrick
Topic: Butterfly
日期: 26/3/2002
時間: 23:49:37

Message

Thanks Stanley!

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Butterfly
日期: 26/3/2002
時間: 22:31:31

Message

You need a 7ch reciever! ch1 and ch7 are for the left and right ailerons, respectively ch5 and ch6 are for the left and right flaps, respectively

In 8U Super transmitter, you need to set GLID2FLP type and then use the butterfly function. For Shooting Star, with 1/3 ballast, I found that about 40% down elevator mixing (ELE->FL) is needed when flaps are deployed.

Name: Patrick
Topic: Help!
日期: 26/3/2002
時間: 20:41:38

Message

Is it possible to operate 'butterfly function' by using a 6 ch receiver with 8U super in a 'shooting star'?? Many thanks!!!

Name: Sunny
Topic: I am interested to join your meeting too!
日期: 26/3/2002
時間: 12:35:22

Message

Hello, Albert Chan. I am also interest to flying sailplanes but worry about getting start and perfer find a company. Can I also join the meeting of you with Stanley Chan? Here is my email and please tell me your meeting. sunnykwok@hotmail.com

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Reply to Albert Chan
Date: 18/3/2002
Time: 21:04:14

Message

It is better for you to come to the flying site to have a look on how we fly. We can explain in details the theory behind and may also give you a practical lession using our plane. Then, you may decide to choose and buy your own later. Send me an emial to arrange for meeting in the flying site if you like.

Cheers

Name: Albert Chan
Topic: How to pick up soaring sailplanes
Date: 18/3/2002
Time: 14:22:40

Message

I am interested in flying sailplanes and I would like to pick that up as a hobby. Is there any formal courses for new joiner to get some training? Is there some guidelines on buying a plane?

Thanks

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Beetle
Date: 13/3/2002
Time: 21:44:36

Message

Yes, I am currently writing an article and the construction manual for the Beetle and will put it out soon. I am now adding a bit more relex on the airfoil so that it will be more pitch-stable by itself. Indeed it is very stable in the test fly after I have carefully adjusted its CG to the right position - very sensitive! I am now building another one with a more streamline shape and a wider range in CG. I can assure you, Beetle is very fast with good aerobatics capability, and it's also quite floaty in light wind! This really surprised me. I believe a 36" - 40" wing span would be an optimum using the current construction technique and should be good for all kinds of wind conditions.

Name: Alan HO
Topic: Newly designed aeroplane
Date: 13/3/2002
Time: 21:25:52

Message

Congratulation!!! You finisded a great job - a locally designed aeroplane "Beetle". Can you write an article to share your experience from design to completion? I'm sure many of us have interest to know.

Name: Alan HO
Topic: smallest receiver
Date: 4/3/2002
Time: 10:15:48

Message

Stanley, you may find this useful: http://www.rc-direct.com/berg.htm

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: smallest 4ch reciever
Date: 3/3/2002
Time: 0:09:47

Message

Hi, I am going to design and build a small 26" glider to have some funs in the slope. As the wing is very thin I need to use a tiny reciever about 0.5" thick. Would any one tell me which 4ch receiver is small enough? I heard about the GWS but the comments are generally not good with poor reception range. Please also give me information on where to buy this reciever in HK.

Thanks

Name: Joe Ho
Topic: 電子 Mixer
Date: 1/3/2002
Time: 21:44:46

Message

Hi, Holam V-tail 用的電子 Mixer 在旺角「德昌」有售。

Name: HOLAM
Topic: 混合器
Date: 1/3/2002
Time: 17:26:16

Message

Stanley Chan 多謝你的回復!但我的發射沒有V尾混合功能,可能須要用到電子混 合器,此類混合器連接後是可以利用兩枝控制桿控制升降及左右方向的是嗎?在那裹 可購賣到的.請回復謝謝!

Name: Alan HO
Topic: Trimming your sailplane
Date: 1/3/2002
Time: 12:22:27

Message

Cannot link to the Articles! Please try this http://www.reddata.com/sass/soaring_info/tech.htm

Name: Alan HO
Topic: Trimming your sailplane
Date: 1/3/2002
Time: 12:16:35

Message

I would like share these interesting and informative articles "trimming your sailplane" to all of you. http://www.reddata.com/sass/soaring_info/techdocs/Trimming%20Your%20Model%20Sailplane%20Part%201.doc http://www.reddata.com/sass/soaring_info/techdocs/TRIMMING%20YOUR%20MODEL%20SAILPLANE%20PART%20II.doc

Happy soaring!

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: V 尾動作
Date: 28/2/2002
Time: 20:30:44

Message

Hi Holam,如果您用V尾只是作升降(Elevator),一隻Servo同時拉V尾舵就可以,但如果要用V尾作升降和尾舵(rudder),就要用兩隻servos來推。如果您有電子混合的發射器如FF8等,您只要set V-Tail mixing功能便可。用機械混合來推V尾是絕少人用,因機槍內沒有這麼多空間。您也可用小型的電子混合裝置裝在飛機上。 用V尾作升降,兩塊尾板同時向上時飛機就上升,同時向下移時就下降。至於轉向,兩塊尾板就要以相反方向移動,其移動的方向就與主翼的Aileron作轉向時的移動方向相反,換句話說,飛機要轉右時,右邊的尾板要向下移,左邊的尾板就向上移。

Name: HOLAM
Topic: V 尾動作原理
Date: 27/2/2002
Time: 16:23:54

Message

各位師傅請問 V 尾的動作是甚樣的,是否可以在發射機設定,是不是有聯動線可簡化 V 尾聯動一起轉向的機械動作,請指點下謝謝! E-MAIL: HOLAM@163.NET

Name: Tsz Ming
Topic: My New Website Need Some Comment
Date: 22/2/2002
Time: 23:41:17

Message

Out to all big brother, This is my Company website will launch soon http://www.windrider.com.hk Please give me some comment. For all the HKRCSS member can have a discount in Kowloon Tak Cheong to buy the "Bee EPP COMBAT WING"

Name: Robin
Topic: Stanleys forum
Date: 22/2/2002
Time: 2:06:58

Message

I think Stanley has done a great job with this site, if not for him many many people would not even think to try this wonderful sport (like me). It is better this way, you get to learn more by reading ALL the comments rather than just going to specific topics which takes longer to find / download. Keep this forum simple if you want people to use it.....!!! Keep it simple for the beginners (like me)to view at our leisure, after all this is an OPEN FORUM, which benifits all involed. For me personnally it is like an R/C newspaper....! 3 cheers for stanley,...............HE'S THE MAN.

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: reply to Willy about the forum arrangement
Date: 19/2/2002
Time: 17:59:17

Message

Well, I agreed this forum layout is a bit difficult to use, in order to provide the suggested format, we need programming on the web server. Currently, I use off-the-shell design tools for this site hence the features provided are barely minimum. In fact I have been thinking to write PHP code for designing a more complicated forum with ICQ and on-line voice chat functions, however, that really needs some efforts which I am afraid I can not spare in the near future. So, in the mean time, you have to live with the current format with limited capability, sorry! Actually, I have put a link to the Yahoo forum for our HK soarer group but not many of you are joining the forum there. I understand that eventhough people like to leave messages in the forum, they do not like to register before using it - that may be the reason why only a few of you in that forum.

Name: Willy Lim
Topic: 偷竊
Date: 18/2/2002
Time: 17:25:04

Message

講開偷竊,數年前我在《扎山道》放完飛機,準備走人,因車泊在郊野公園地圖牌側邊,我便將飛機放在擺放地圖牌的草地上,人則在幾呎外將裝備放入車尾箱,打算收拾裝備後才去拆機。

突然發覺有一私家車在我身旁停下,車內有一家大細,有個女人走出車外,拿起架機並意圖將機放入車內,因機未拆翼,未能得逞。到我行俚去時,個女人先知衰,一手還機給我一口話“我以為架機無人要先放係到,我仲話諗住扲番屋企俾細路玩添”,咁屎的籍口都想到,真係俾佢吹脹。

Name: Willy Lim
Topic: Organisation of this Message Board
Date: 18/2/2002
Time: 15:14:38

Message

Thumb's up to Stanley for maintaining this site, contributing much of his personal time and resources.

Stanley, if it's not too troublesome, is it possible to arrange the messages in threads (as in newsgroup) instead of chronological order as they are now? Threads are easier to read in that messages relating to the same topic are filed together.

Name: ck
Topic: dont go to 精藝
Date: 12/2/2002
Time: 21:47:38

Message

精藝 is the most xxx shop I ever seen. Always force you to buy things and 成日海鮮價. Really very bad. If all beginners want to 出機, shop around MongKok and 紅磡無湖街, they are very kind, and can give you some advice before you really invest this hobby.

Name: Robin
Topic: STOLEN  rc  stuff
Date: 12/2/2002
Time: 2:29:39

Message

I am disgusted with these thevies, They will never appreciate the joy of soaring high in HK with stolen equipment..!! At least today is a new year so as Robert Yan say's : forget about it, it's only money. They cannot ask for help from all you guy's which is so valuable in learning to fly gliders, They will crash alot & waste more money then if they were honest r/c pilots..!! All i can say is KUNG HEI FAT CHOI to everybody except these theives. People who are honest will ALWAYS win in the end. Theives live a life-time of guilt, which causes an early death..! HAPPY LANDINGS

Name: Joe Ho
Topic: ***
Date: 12/2/2002
Time: 1:50:41

Message

恭喜發財!

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: Lost property - a Transmitter
Date: 11/2/2002
Time: 21:11:54

Message

Hi Y. C. I feel sorry for you for the loss of a transmitter. I also had the same experience in Clear Water Bay. Our fellow pilots should be very careful now. They just steal anything that they can get their hands to. You suspected some people of Pakistan origin. I suspected but cannot get any proof, that some Australian/European stole some valuables from me too. So forget it and I hope you can find a better transmitter soon. Happy New Year to you. Good lift and soft landings all the time.

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: 提防小手
Date: 11/2/2002
Time: 19:15:14

Message

昨天小弟如常到清水灣放滑翔机,在北風位放下裝備后便与在場机司聊天。過一會當小弟打算起飛時,發現掛在旁邊樹枝上的發射器已不翼而飛。遍尋不穫. 當時除兩名印巴籍途人曾在該處留連外,在場均為認識的同好。相信發射器已被人順手牽羊。特此忠告各同好小心看管財物,以免蒙受損失。

如小弟怀疑屬實,賊人也實在太可惡。今天已是年三十晚,小弟需在模型店關門前四處搜購合适的發射 Module 和晶体,否則便會有一段時間被 grounded.

被竊的發射器日后可能會流入二手市場。如有同好發現該發射器蹤跡 ( 如在二手店,互聯网或從朋友得知等 ),煩請通知小弟 ( Tel : 90204046, email : yclui@netvigator.com )該發射器是已停產多年的 JR Apex Computer 8 ChPCM for fix-wing aircraft. 銀色鋁金屬外殼,線條四四方方。頻率是41.060 MHz. 此發射器其實价值和功能也不高,但讓竊賊消遙法外,實在令人气憤難平。

Name: Robin
Topic: \__________O__________/
Date: 8/2/2002
Time: 23:54:33

Message

HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR EVERYBODY... MAY YOUR YEAR BE FULL OF STRONG WINDS & SOFT LANDINGS..!!

Name: joe
Topic: rc frequence
Date: 7/2/2002
Time: 22:03:40

Message

do anyone know 40mhz fm is legally and popularly used for any aircraft in australia ? and how is about 36mhz? thank you!

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: Discovery Bay
Date: 7/2/2002
Time: 12:24:54

Message

Hi, Robin. I flew there once. It has all you want there. Good wind, good lift and grassy landing strips .. clean and soft. Please contact Graeme and Matt who used to fly there becasue they lived there. Now they moved to Australia. They will be happy to give you more information. Their email address graeme.matt@rcglider.iwarp.com Happy Chinese New Year to you. PS.. Your aerial photos are great!

Name: Robin
Topic: Flying in Discovery Bay.
Date: 7/2/2002
Time: 7:51:59

Message

Do'es anybody have any experiance flying at this site,..... Could you share it with me ? I will be going to try this site so could use some tips. Thanks.

Name: peter
Topic: 精藝模型 是出名的黑店啦!好多人都比佢昆左
Date: 2/2/2002
Time: 15:41:01

Message

Last time I have a bad experience in 精藝模型 too, I bought a remote control from there. He said the remote control is a new one. After I bought it and brought it back to my home. I found that the remote control is second hand. I brought it back to the shop. He denied and said it is new one and he didnt exchange a new one for me. After this happen, I havent go that shop again. All Buddy be careful!

Name: K.Y.Mak
Topic: Book on Radio programming
Date: 1/2/2002
Time: 21:07:53

Message

Hello All, I'm looking for books on computer radio programming. Could anyone tell me which book is good, and where can I get one in HK ! I've been looking thought my Futaba FF9 handbook, but it didn't say in details about how all those functions works, and how should it be used. I'm trying to workout how to slow down my 4 servo Vtail Mini-Corado, and T-tail AMD Scropio for the landings. I know there are CROW mix that requires flaps, which my planes don't have. It seems that Flaperon might be the thing I need. However, I can't workout how and why it works ? The aileron(flaps) should go up or down ? How much up or down is correct ? Which switch, knob or slider should be used ?

There are so many questions, I think I need a very good book on the topic !

Mak

Name: Patrick Lam
Topic: re: be careful
Date: 31/1/2002
Time: 8:09:54

Message

What did they do?

Name: ck
Topic: be careful
Date: 30/1/2002
Time: 23:14:58

Message

請大家不要去位於長沙灣既精藝模型公司... 佢地欺騙客人...做生意唔老實...我有幾個朋友都比佢地欺騙o左.....連我自己在內... 請大家要小心,,,,,,

Name: Agent Orange
Topic: MARK...................\______0______/
Date: 28/1/2002
Time: 5:02:18

Message

Hey Mark, If you want to learn to fly....>>>>>> Read this website from cover to cover twice, EVERY PAGE. Then go to Clear Water Bay or Fei Ngor Shan on a saturday, it's that simple..... Get a foam plane & throw it..! Don't worry 'bout it, whatever happen's you'll walk away laughing ( smiling at the very least )..........TRUST ME............peace 'yall....out.

Name: Y C Lui
Topic: Places suitable for beginners - a reply from a beginner
Date: 28/1/2002
Time: 0:57:53

Message

Hello Mark,

When it comes to flying gliders, I am also a beginner myself so may be I can share with you my own experience. Unlike powered airplanes, gliders depends on natural upward air current to keep them airborne. Air current of this kind is either caused by uneven distribution of temperature in the air ( thermal gliders ) or deflection of winds by hill slopes ( slope gliders ).

Because of the environment of Hongkong, finding thermal current suitable for flying gliders can be very tricky although there is a group of club members who are particularly interested in taking up the challenge. Most pilots, including beginners like me choose to fly on slopes where the availability of lift is more predictable and relatively more consistent.

Although practicing is important, getting advice and help from experienced pilots is a must in learning how to fly. The latter is particularly important when you run into troubles in the middle of a flight, not because you want to save your plane but to avoid causing accidents. Recently, there was an accident at the Ma On Shan site ( very likely the kind of nice and open space in your mind ) where a hiker was hitted by a glider and flying at the site was subsequently banned by the Government. Similar accident had also occured to ( more precisely, caused by ) me when I attempted to land my glider unsupervised. It hitted an onlooker in his face and inflicted significant bleeding . Fortunately, the would was not serious and he was discharged from the hospital after simple treatment. Safety always comes first in learing how to fly.

I would suggest you to consider the Clear Water Bay as this is a place where you can easily find experienced pilots who are keen to lend a helping hand to beginners.

Looking forward to seeing you there,

Y C Lui a beginner

Name: Mark Willis
Topic: Places suitable for beginners
Date: 27/1/2002
Time: 21:20:22

Message

Hi, can anyone let me know of a place in HK suitable for learning the basics. What I want to find is a nice open space that is suitable to learn to fly before heading to the slopes.

Thanks Mark

Name: Alan Ho
Topic: maiden flight
Date: 24/1/2002
Time: 14:09:17

Message

Hi Stanley

Thanks for your prompt reply and kindness to offer help. I am pleased to join at Clearwater Bay this weekend and am looking forward to meet you there. Cheers and happy soaring.

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Maiden flight
Date: 24/1/2002
Time: 11:05:59

Message

Hi Alan

The weather forecast for the wind direction on 26/1 is east to southeast, so many pilots will go to Clearwater bay instead of Fei Ngo Shan; although there are few pilots constantly prefer to fly in Fei Ngo Shan, its peak is usually overshadowed with fog this time of the year making sailplane flying impossible. There should be many experience pilots on Saturday afternoon, so do come and ask for help; I shall be there also. Cheers and happy soaring.

Name: Alan Ho
Topic: maiden flight on 26/27.1.02
Date: 23/1/2002
Time: 16:33:34

Message

Would some experienced pilot help me this weekend for my maiden flight at Fei Ngo Shan. I have just finished setting up of my new glider. I am afraid that I forget how to control the plane since I stopped flying for more than 13 years. Will you fly this weekend? Please leave message if you are kind enough to render help. My e-mail address is keungsiu@netvigator.com Many thanks.

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: Paper Aeroplanes
Date: 22/1/2002
Time: 0:32:05

Message

Hi Ravon, Please visit these pages for instructions of how to make and fly paper gliders, helicopters, and aeroplanes. : http://www.patprojects.org/glider/paperglider/paprmodl.htm http://www.paperairplanes.co.uk/ http://www.k111.k12.il.us/king/paper_airplane1.htm Carefully follow the instruction and make a few trials and move the cg to the right place. You can even fly these in slope lift. Enjoy....

Name: 瑞文
Topic: ^^
Date: 21/1/2002
Time: 16:40:34

Message

希望能夠有教人如何做滑翔機的方法,但要簡單的那一種(例: 紙做的那一種) 小朋友玩的那種模型 如果有的話,請在這留言,謝謝~!

Name: Ravon
Topic: ^^~
Date: 21/1/2002
Time: 16:34:04

Message

希望有教人如何做滑翔機的方法(簡單的那一種例: 用紙做的) 小朋友可以玩,不危險~ 如果有也請留言,謝謝您^^~

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: 好刺激! 但安全至上!
Date: 14/1/2002
Time: 11:36:34

Message

Hi Ming, 好高興您能享受滑翔飛行的樂趣。希望您在學習飛行的同時也要顧及其他飛行者和途人的安全,大家玩得開心、安全至上,才是真正享受滑翔飛行之樂。

Happy soaring!

Name: Ming
Topic: 好刺激!
Date: 13/1/2002
Time: 21:57:21

Message

今日我在 Clearwater Bay 放 slider, 正在高空飛翔的時候, my slider 和一架大slider 相撞, 成隻左翼飛?出來, my slider 施轉正插入樹叢, 好在 picked up all wreckage . So Exciting!

I will be Back! 我會再戰江湖!

Name: Hon Kwok-Wing
Topic: Say Hi to Robert Yan
Date: 13/1/2002
Time: 17:42:34

Message

Dear Robert Yan, I Just have a few words to refresh your memory. You have accompanied my maiden flight at Sek -O peak as earlier as 1980 and flid together for many years there . I'm school mate and friend of Lai Chung Kwong who is in Canada now. I 'm very happy to know that you still have time to build plane and fly for I stopped flying since I stopped to own a car. The bad news that I just seen by chance on the RC web site is that you have losted a beautiful plane"Reiher".I hope some one could send it back to you.Please email me to kwhon@netvigator.com if you still remember the one that always meet you at Sek-O Peak

Name: Andrew
Topic: Where to buy radio and R/C hardware
Date: 12/1/2002
Time: 23:24:48

Message

Hello,

I am a beginner in R/C slope gliders but very interested. Your Web site is very nice and informative. Thank you! If anybody knows where to buy a second-hand 4ch radio set? And what about R/C hardware? Tahnks for any answer, Andrew

Name: Robin
Topic: Ken from NZ
Date: 10/1/2002
Time: 0:21:43

Message

Just saying hi from HK, If Mr R.Yan is unavalible for whatever reason to take you out flying in May gimme a shout at Bagira@hkstar.com . I always fly mid-week so am also avaliable. I will be doing a photo-shoot in NZ this Febuary and will be going into Christchurch for a few days foamie flying hopefully, Want to come ?

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: Welcome Ken from NZ
Date: 9/1/2002
Time: 11:16:19

Message

Hi, Ken, Welcome to HK and your interest in HK soaring. I should be available at the time you mentioned. I am now in London on business and should be back in HK in May. Please leave your email address or you may email me at yanr@netvigator.com Happy trip.

Name: Ken Austin
Topic: R/C Soaring and Equipment
Date: 9/1/2002
Time: 9:10:16

Message

Greetings from a keen New Zealand Soarer. My wife & I will be in Hong Kong from 13 to 17 May this year, If anyone flys mid-week I would like to meet and observe. I am intending to buy models and gear. Can you advise me the names of some Kowloon model shops please. Many thnaks

Name: Robert Yan
Topic: Congratulations to Ming and pilot friends
Date: 6/1/2002
Time: 8:18:47

Message

Ming, CONGRATULATIONS!! Nice to know that you enjoyed your maiden flight with the assistance of other pilot friends. Keep it up and you will have more fun coming with this healthy sport.

Name: Ming
Topic: yeah!
Date: 5/1/2002
Time: 20:39:26

Message

今日我架機終於在清水彎完成了她的 ”處女航”,安全回家! 在?多師傅的協助下,她在微風中飛了半小時,令我十分開心和感動! 多謝各位師傅的頂力相助!

Name: Robin
Topic: How to go to Flying sites............MING
Date: 4/1/2002
Time: 0:57:43

Message

To go to Clear Water Bay from Diamond hill MTR you get the KMB bus #91, or from Choi Hung MTR you also get the KMB bus #91. To go to Fei Ngor Shan get a taxi from Choi Hung MTR, cost is only $40. Hope you enjoy your new hobby...!!

Name: Stanley Chan
Topic: Test flight
Date: 3/1/2002
Time: 19:28:52

Message

Hi Ming, where to go is dependent on the wind direction! According to the weather forcast, the wind for the next few days is most likely light to moderate with direction from north to northeast. So we would most likely end up in Fei Ngo Shan or may be in Clearwater bay this weekend. Ma On Shan is only suitable for moderate to strong east wind. It should not be difficult to go to Clearwater bay from where you live, you can take a bus to Diamond Hill and from there you take KMB bus 96 to Clearwater bay. To go to Fei Ngo Shan without a private car is a bit difficult although you can take a shuttle bus from Wong Tai Sin, I recommand you to ask someone to give you a ride up and down, we have many fellow pilots who live in Ma On Shan area, ask them.

Name: Ming
Topic: Hello!
Date: 3/1/2002
Time: 17:13:29

Message

I have finished assembling and I would like to have a test-fly, where should i go this Sunday? Clearwater Bay or Ma On Shan, I prefer Ma On Shan coz I live in Ma On Shan, Clearwater Bay is pretty far away form me :>

Name: Ming
Topic: Happy new year!
Date: 1/1/2002
Time: 10:56:56

Message

Happy new year!

Name: Willy Lim
Topic: 新仔
Date: 1/1/2002
Time: 9:21:12

Message

計我話新仔最好玩滑翔機先,起碼顧少樣油門。 學識後才玩電機。

用電機來學飛都得,但重皮,因撞機時損毀肯定大過相對較輕的滑翔機。