RC Slope Soaring in Hong Kong

香港遙控滑翔飛行協會為了提高青少年對滑翔飛行的興趣，有意成立飛行技術測試及獎章制度。由書本上滑翔飛行原理的知識到高級飛行技巧的掌握分三個階段發給獎章以示鼓勵。為了提升初學者的飛行技巧，本會還為初學者提供實地飛行訓練，由本會資深飛行員教授。為了確認會員的飛行資曆，本會會發出証書以示証明。有見及此，本會將會在今年四月二十三日在清水灣舉辦一次飛行技術評核測試，到時會為有興趣會員評核飛行技術，如果達到指表後便會發給証書以示証明，持証書者日後有權代表本會教授新人。

由於要成為(師傳級)的技術指表各人的意見可能不同，所以在此希望各機友發表意見，收集後來定立一個準則。

我本人的基本意見是:

1. 能達到如倒飛至少10秒，連續打roll至少5次，連續打千秋數次都無問題。

2. 在三次降落中至少有一次在指定位置10尺範圍內。


請各機友盡量發表意見，謝謝！

Stanley! 有否需要將Ｄ動作分類？同埋請一D特別嘉賓做客席評判呢？

唔好啦掛牌!!!!!!!!亞KEN個提議咪幾好.
唔好整到好似張”D”會員分開,分類.
如果個會員冇時間(23-04-06)去比你評估,怎樣再安排.
日后教朋友飛怎樣???
會員得不到會的認同,會不會再續會席????

獎章 = 飛行技術高超???????
獎章 = 飛行安全?????????
獎章 = 多”D"人幫手?????

測試當天是否可用任何機種呢？Mold 機? EPP? 是否需要一個標準呢?

其實搞呢樣野既目的都唔係話想將D會員標籤或分類﹐而係令會員有個目標去追求﹐當技術水平達到一定程度時就會得到公開認可﹐希望咁樣會玩得過癮D。外國模型滑翔圈都有類似既制度﹐其中比較多人知既有美國既 League of Silent flight (http://www.silentflight.org/LSF_Base/intro.htm). 佢地既制度係模仿真滑翔機﹐如果你既技術去到某一個水平﹐就可以得到相應既認可。我自己有飛滑翔傘﹐滑翔傘都有咁既分級﹐譬如香港有 student pilot, club pilot, pilot, advance pilot, 美國有 P1﹐P2﹐P3﹐P4 rating﹐中國有 A級﹐ B級﹐ C級運動員證書等。我依家都只係有 student pilot 同 A 級資格﹐因為定點著陸仲唔係好掂﹐上次降落仲扭親隻腳﹐所以到依家都未囉到 club pilot 或 B 級證書﹐如果我可以憑技術囉到﹐我估我會幾開心。講到個方式係咪要定一個日子搞評核試就有待商確﹐譬如 League of Silent flight 就只需要有旁觀者證明就可以。

各位會員，
今次本會打算推行獎章考核只是為了吸引青少年尤其是中小學生對遙控滑翔飛行的興趣和認識，對於本會會員本身巳經有一定的飛行技術就會頒發証書以示証明和確認。並不是想搞什麼分化或偕級鬥爭，請各會員不要作無為的猜測，多多支持這次活動。
我們希望這次評核測試，難度不會定得太高，只要會員達到有基本的飛行技術，就會頒發証書，費用全免。有了証書就不等於是高人一等，請不要誤會。難度會員們不希望有張証書確認自已的飛行資歷嗎？
希望評核測試當日就好像大家聚首一堂，砌初

Don't know about others or kids nowadays but when I was one and inspired a certificate or recognition would be the least attractive part to me.

Not against anything tho some regulating can have good purpose most important is how are we/you/anyone going to handle it in the future.

CT

上星期日在清水灣與數位機友傾談，知道很多機友對我們這次評核測試有很多誤解。 Stanley已即時在網上解釋我們的原意。 今天有時間，我也在此向各位說明一下是次測試之來由。
在過去兩三年間，一直有學界或社區團體與我們商討一些教導青少年有關遙控飛行知識之課程。我們得到之信息是有很多青少年響往飛行，但香港卻沒有合適課程及場地。 場地問題我們今天做不到什麼，還望日後有機友可以成為高官，為我們的飛行場地作出少許安排。 但課程方面，我們可集各人力量，為日後之入門者及青少年學生，作出一些指引。 所以才有獎章制度之提出。
獎章制度提出後，反對聲音不多，但如何才能成為制度下之導師卻有不同意見。 若所有會員即時成為合資格導師，我們擔心日後此獎章制度之認受性，所以才選定一天為各會員及有興趣成為導師之準會員作出技術認可。 Stanley 已為認可之方法作出說明，我不再詳述。獎章制度之成功，實在依賴一群資深的遙控飛行導師，希望各機友多加支持。

??? Your flying fields are already there: FNS, CWB, what do you need? A steel fence? If you want something by all means say it. And say it loud enough this government takes positive action when there's enough noise. Remember legal frequencies? Opportunities does arise from crisis.

If you're talking about fixed wing aircrafts the HKMEC had got their Yuen Long flying field from the government at nominal cost. How much they spend on it and charge their members is another story.

As for education, we have the Hong Kong Air Cadet Corps, the Hong Kong Federation of Trade Union and several model shops offering aviation/RC courses. Again, the quality of these courses is another issue.

If these are what you want, stand together and ask for it, work for it. You won't get a large piece of land free of charge, near an MTR station and given to you forever, but you shouldn't need to wait until one of the boys you recruit becomes CE or gets richer than KS Li.

CT

CT,
You are correct, I agree with most of your points. But there are a lot of things you do not know in deep.
We have a lot of pilots who can fly very well and qualified to attend Internation contests. But the expense for the trip stopped them.
If you visited Clear Water Bay in past months, you will reallize it is no longer a Glider flying site.
FNS is a good place, but it is limited to those pilots who has their own car.
The courses set up by model shops are too much toward to the business side. You can try using their service without buying from them.
We tried to book a public playground for Hand Launch glider contest, the return is the glassland is not for playing model planes.
I do agreed with you that we shouldn't need to wait until one of our pilots becomes CE for more playing sites. But making the sport more popular is one of the way to get more supports. I believe that if the Badge scheme is set right and more groups organize courses according, we can make the RC flying become popular faster, no matter they will stay on Gliders or not. In fact, I still feel that flying is a better activity than a whole day sitting in front of Computer for kids.
Ken

Ken, this hobby was never a free lunch. I doubt if the resources/subsidy you're relating to are truely justified. Some are better left to commercial sponsors. Once in a while people gets to organize RC event in public facilities... keep trying here and there.

If it was LCSD giving you that kind of answer I suggest you goto the ombusman, because they're not answering your question. From my understanding the only true purpose for a grassland is to herd cattle! So why don't they leave it to AFCD? The same goes for marathon on the highway, new year's fair in the football pitch, and so on... those officers just need to hear a big voice.

CT
PS Haven't flew gliders for some time... I guess one can still walk up the hillside at CWB?

請集中討論飛行技術指標的意見(見Stanley的頭post)。有關其他的可以另開topic討論。

perhaps the ability to land a sluggish 2m, rudder only glider? Saving it from a spiral too?

CT

我都覺得定點著陸係飛行技術的重要指標，尤其係land隻揩下就爛既2ch遲鈍大木機

睇下係學飛既邊個階段啦﹗上次同明愛搞既親子飛行團我教果兩位女士﹐要佢地飛一個圈都算係高難度﹐不如初階章就要連續飛 10 個圈都唔落地就算 pass 啦﹗

YC,
當然喇，當時你沒有留意，你教果兩位少女，手拿遙控，兩眼卻望著旁邊。要佢地成功飛一個圈，一定有難度。

各位師父,

4月23日可能天后誕封路

?囅{！每年呢個時候都?鬗悁Z誕，封路封足成個月。飛鵝山春天時份又大霧，多數無得飛，點搞？
仲有無近海邊好?麊F風場呀？

在英國模型飛行協會 (BMFA) 的手冊上，有列明要取得斜坡滑翔證書 B, 必須能完成下面動作：
1) 飛行前之檢查。
2) 出機然後取高度，再在機師前面左或右水平飛一個圈。
3) 在機師前面打一個水平八字。
4) 連續打兩個 大跟斗 (Loop)。
5) 打一個千秋。
6) 在側風下直線倒飛10 秒。
7) 在側風下左至右橫滾一個圈，然後再反方向由右至左橫滾一個圈。
8 ) 做一個三圈 Spin。
9) 從左至右及從右至左，分別做一次假降落。
10) 降落在目的地之15米距離內。

各位機友、會員，我們可參考上述指定動作作為評核準側。我覺得這些基本動作很多會員都無問題，唯一少見會員做的動作是 spin，所以可能有會員反對考核這動作，而且做 spin 這動作並不是所有機種都能做得到。希望會員在此提供意見及投票是否贊成取消這個動作。

likewise for roll and inverted flight. But if you're talking about an instructor then I think he should be capable enough to handle those situations.

Not a member myself tho...

CT

Dear Chairman,

If a member of the HKRCSS does not wish to perform the 'Advanced' movements, he can choose to take the 'A' Certificate test. Of course, that means he is qualified as a 'Solo' flight flyer, but not as a 'Master'.

Philip Shum

子明，
你的Bee是否也能夠做三個Spin? 可以的話，請在此教教大家，方法是否和有尾機一樣？

It is impossible to do a spin in a detla wing( 2 ch ) It must be a 3 ch (aileron ,elevator, rudder ).
Spin is a pattern that you fly your plan
in a very slow speed and even,use a bit rudder let it tip stall(left or right).
after it stall,fully elevator up and fully
aileron(same direction with rudder).
You must use a 3ch glider(with rudder).