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PostPosted: 13 Apr 2011 10:24 am 
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HK F3F League 2011 - The fifth match

Date: May 8, 2011
Time: Pilot briefing at 7:55am. Competition starts at 8:00am (Tentative).
Venue: Fei Ngo Shan (Tentative)
CD: Lee Man
Co-CD: Kenneth Chan
Helper: Kolosun

Please note:
1, Please refer to the CD's latest announcement for the venue and start time.
2, The time of the last round will be announced in pilot briefing.
3, Latecomers (cannot show up at his turn) can only join after the current running round is completed. No re-flight will be arranged for the missed rounds.
4, CD will announce the name list 1 week before the competition. The first pilot of the first round will be drawn during pilot briefing. Please contact the CD if you are not on the list or not going to join.
5, This is an official competition. FAI and local rules will be strictly observed.


香港F3F聯賽2011 - 第五戰

日期: 2011 年 5 月 8 日
時間: 上午7時55分簡報. 比賽8時正開始(暫定)
地點: 飛鵝山(暫定)
主審: 李文
副審: 細Ken
工作人員: 高佬生

請注意:
1, 留意主審宣佈最後決定地點和開賽時間。
2, 最後一場的時間會在簡報時宣佈。
3, 遲到者(輪到他時仍未出現者)需待正進行的場次完成方可加入,錯過的場次將不獲補飛。
4, 主審於賽前1星期宣佈比賽名單,第一場第一位於簡報時抽籤決定,如果你的名字不在名單上或你不打算參賽請預先通知主審。
5, 此次為正式比賽,會嚴格執行FAI及本地賽例。


FAI Sport code for Radio Control Soaring (Edition 2010): http://alpha924.server4you.de/FAI/Sport ... 10_Rev.pdf

Local rules: http://www.hkrcss.org/F3FGroup/HKF3F_league_rules.html


Fastest time of the HK F3F league 2011 is currently 35.99sec by Cheung Wan Kin made in the March match.
2011 香港聯賽最速男暫時是堅叔在三月賽造出的35.99sec.


Results after match 4:

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PostPosted: 13 Apr 2011 10:29 am 
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四場成功比賽會扣除個人最差的一場,大家努力 :o


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每年 5月的第二個星期天, 永遠有比 F3F 更重要的母親節 :o

請根據近年的安排, 將 F3F 比賽移去下一個週日 (5月15日) :idea:

感謝諒解 :o


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Wing wrote:
每年 5月的第二個星期天, 永遠有比 F3F 更重要的母親節 :o

請根據近年的安排, 將 F3F 比賽移去下一個週日 (5月15日) :idea:

感謝諒解 :o


5月15日有 Ma-on-Man 賽 :roll: :roll:
http://www.hkrcss.org/MOM_callC.html


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60" MOM 同 F3F 兩樣我都想參加喎~~ 咁點算? :roll:


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既然係咁,如風況許可暫定5月份賽事定在5月一日(第一個星期日),
否則改為5月22日(第四個星期日),
過多幾日睇定D天文台7天天氣預測&WindGURU再於4月26日公佈比賽日子吧! :idea:

如有機友在哪日不能出賽請盡早通知,以便大家可共識哪日進行比賽 :roll:


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Kenneth Chan wrote:
既然係咁,如風況許可暫定5月份賽事定在5月一日(第一個星期日),
否則改為5月22日(第四個星期日),
過多幾日睇定D天文台7天天氣預測&WindGURU再於4月26日公佈比賽日子吧! :idea:

如有機友在哪日不能出賽請盡早通知,以便大家可共識哪日進行比賽 :roll:


5月21日至31日小弟出差不在港,22號和29號都唔可以放機。

講開又講小弟今次出差去Prague 捷克,如果各位有野想小弟從捷克帶回來,請出句聲,唔係太大件的話,小弟樂意效勞。 :roll: :roll:


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由於5月8日是母親節,可能許多機友不能出席,五月可舉辦的星期日有1、8、22和29日,如果你有其中的星期日不能出席,請在4月18日前提出。

The F3F competition in May was originally schedualed on 8 which happens to be on the Mother's day. Experience shows many pilots need to stay with family and could not join. We can reschedule the competition to May 1, 8 (Mother's day), 22 or 29. Please raise out before April 18 if you cannot come on any of these 4 days.


Can't join on May 1, 5月1日不能出席: 2
Albert, Yeung

Can't join on May 8 (Mother's day), 5月8日(母親節)不能出席: 2
Albert, Yeung

Can't join on May 22, 5月22日不能出席: 1
Stanley

Can't join on May 29, 5月29日不能出席: 0


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CM個local rule無話母親節唔準比賽,只不過係話在特別日子得到大部份飛友投票決定才可改期。如果大部份飛友認為在母親節比賽無問題可如期舉行。 :roll: :oops:


http://www.hkrcss.org/F3FGroup/HKF3F_league_rules.html


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Please don't open F3F Race in Mother's Day

不要於母親節, 2011年5月8日星期日 舉行 F3F 聯賽


Not on May 1, 5月1日不能出席: 1
Albert

Not on May 22, 5月22日不能出席: 1
Stanley

Not on May 29, 5月29日不能出席: 0


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Stanley wrote:
CM個local rule無話母親節唔準比賽,只不過係話在特別日子得到大部份飛友投票決定才可改期。如果大部份飛友認為在母親節比賽無問題可如期舉行。 :roll: :oops:


http://www.hkrcss.org/F3FGroup/HKF3F_league_rules.html


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1 May 2011 No
8 May 2011 No



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C.M. 唔好意思,跟據local rule,我覺得改期的提議程序不當,應該是

大前提是要得到大部份飛友同意之後才可改期,唔係話已經決定改到這一日,那一日

如果大部份飛友同意改期,為公平起見,新選的日子要所有飛友都可出席比賽為原則,似乎5月1日和5月22日已經有飛友唔得,所以改期到這些日子唔成立。

Anyway,天下父母心,母親節是重要日子,大家要開開心心。

我提議一個或者可行的方案,是把MoM賽和F3F賽日期對掉,即係話5月8日搞MoM賽,5月15日比F3F。
MoM是英文母親MOM的縮寫,在母親節搞MoM賽意義重大,飛友有大條道理可帶埋天下母親親臨助戰,興祝同樂,女仕們又可幫手做評判線審,可樂而不為呢?嘻嘻!(發下夢先) 而且比賽只需下午半天,飛友還有大把時間伴家人。
MoM賽無明文靚定唔可改期,而且參賽人數較少,影向也較少

當然同一原則,以上提議也是首先要得到大部份F3F賽友同意改期才可!


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Stanley wrote:
C.M. 唔好意思,跟據local rule,我覺得改期的提議程序不當,應該是

大前提是要得到大部份飛友同意之後才可改期,唔係話已經決定改到這一日,那一日

如果大部份飛友同意改期,為公平起見,新選的日子要所有飛友都可出席比賽為原則,似乎5月1日和5月22日已經有飛友唔得,所以改期到這些日子唔成立。

Anyway,天下父母心,母親節是重要日子,大家要開開心心。

我提議一個或者可行的方案,是把MoM賽和F3F賽日期對掉,即係話5月8日搞MoM賽,5月15日比F3F。
MoM是英文母親MOM的縮寫,在母親節搞MoM賽意義重大,飛友有大條道理可帶埋天下母親親臨助戰,興祝同樂,女仕們又可幫手做評判線審,可樂而不為呢?嘻嘻!(發下夢先) 而且比賽只需下午半天,飛友還有大把時間伴家人。
MoM賽無明文靚定唔可改期,而且參賽人數較少,影向也較少

當然同一原則,以上提議也是首先要得到大部份F3F賽友同意改期才可!



Sorry, 我可以參賽時間係
五月一日 (Ok for 1 May)
五日八日 (Ok for 8 May)
五月二十二日 (Ok for 22 May)
五月二十九日 (Ok for 29 May)

我五月十五日唔得! (NOT Ok for 15 May)

如果五日八日仍然可以比賽,我希望按原先定下日子飛F3F賽!


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Stanley wrote:
C.M. 唔好意思,跟據local rule,我覺得改期的提議程序不當,應該是

大前提是要得到大部份飛友同意之後才可改期,唔係話已經決定改到這一日,那一日

如果大部份飛友同意改期,為公平起見,新選的日子要所有飛友都可出席比賽為原則,似乎5月1日和5月22日已經有飛友唔得,所以改期到這些日子唔成立。

Anyway,天下父母心,母親節是重要日子,大家要開開心心。

我提議一個或者可行的方案,是把MoM賽和F3F賽日期對掉,即係話5月8日搞MoM賽,5月15日比F3F。
MoM是英文母親MOM的縮寫,在母親節搞MoM賽意義重大,飛友有大條道理可帶埋天下母親親臨助戰,興祝同樂,女仕們又可幫手做評判線審,可樂而不為呢?嘻嘻!(發下夢先) 而且比賽只需下午半天,飛友還有大把時間伴家人。
MoM賽無明文靚定唔可改期,而且參賽人數較少,影向也較少

當然同一原則,以上提議也是首先要得到大部份F3F賽友同意改期才可!



我認為今次是個別例子,Local rule是否仍適用值得商榷。

原因是往年的聯賽訂日子時會考慮母親節等而克意避開,但今年並沒有,應該是我們做漏了,那我們是否放棄慣例而堅持投票是否改期呢?


另外我認為:

1, 原比賽日 (5月8日母親節) 不能出席的人一定同意改期。

2, 原比賽日可出席的人一定不同意改期,因為他們不知道改期後還可不可出席。


因此,投 不同意 的人好大程度基於不全面的資料(不知道新日子),那投票結果是否仍符合大部分人的利益呢?

例如,5月29日本來所有人都可出席,但卻因投票時不知道新日子而遭否決改期,是否最好的結果呢?


所以,我認為先找出最少影響的比賽日較為恰當。


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跟例也好,唔跟也好,一個原則一定要堅持,就是新選出的日子一定要所有F3F賽友同意才可,否則就是不公平!以往我地曾經改期,都是用這個原則。

以目前的顯示,1, 15, 22, 29號都有飛友唔得,所以我覺得維持原定計劃最合情合理。


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CM Cheng wrote:
Stanley wrote:
CM個local rule無話母親節唔準比賽,只不過係話在特別日子得到大部份飛友投票決定才可改期。如果大部份飛友認為在母親節比賽無問題可如期舉行。 :roll: :oops:


http://www.hkrcss.org/F3FGroup/HKF3F_league_rules.html


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翻閱過去 4 年 (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010) 各聯賽記錄, 為什麼從沒有安排在母親節舉行 F3F 賽事 :?: 請給我一個理由 :!:

F3F 聯賽已經攪這麼多年, 難道仍要辯論或拿 rules 來投票母親節飛 F3F :?:

也許是我飛 F3F 飛到變傻啦 :idea:


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母親節當然最好唔好搞比賽啦,以前我地都曾經因為編左係母親節比賽而成功提議改期,但大前提也是所有飛友同意新選的日期,否則就是不公平。
http://www.rcsail.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1343&sid=252bff0f9f8f1714e2b12283d8c7c127

既然5月咁多飛友都唔得,無辦法搵到個每個飛友可接受的日子的話,我提議另外方法就是取消5月的聯賽,在大風季節如11月時加番一場,那就大家都happy啦!況且5月D風都唔方大左去邊,比都好辛苦!

如果有飛友還想在5月8號比,就不如當友誼賽,出席得既就去,唔得既就伴媽媽,大家happy,無謂咁勞氣! :roll: :roll: :roll:


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There's already a rule for the condition of "a race coinciding with Mother Day" :shock: :!:
Stanley, the change requires majority votes, not ALL.


1.1 Number of races

One race for each month will be scheduled and the league should have a maximum of 12 races in a year. The race dates are announced in advance prior to the start of the league. Change of a race date is not allowed unless there are special circumstances, for example, the race is coinciding with Mother Day, and the proposed change, if any, must be approved by majority votes in advance.


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There's already a rule for the condition of "a race coinciding with Mother Day" :shock: :!:
Stanley, the change requires majority votes, not ALL.


1.1 Number of races

One race for each month will be scheduled and the league should have a maximum of 12 races in a year. The race dates are announced in advance prior to the start of the league. Change of a race date is not allowed unless there are special circumstances, for example, the race is coinciding with Mother Day, and the proposed change, if any, must be approved by majority votes in advance.



阿麥,個rules定時是考慮到一些特別日子,可以有flexibity比飛友投票改期,By major vote 是決定可唔可以改,決定左如果改的話,公平起見就要照顧所有的飛友的意願,人地個日都唔去得,你就話個日是否不公平?

況且除了母親節之外,也有父親節,情人節,兒童節、等等,係唔係我地都要考慮呢?如果有飛友話要呢D日子改期得唔得呢?以我的理解,得,投票羅,最緊要大家happy,但你都要考慮選一個新日子個個都能出席架,唔係隨隨便便迫D唔出得席既飛友少數復從多數架! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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公說公有理、婆說婆有理...大家都各有道理 :idea:
在下今次不參與辯論,如要投票亦只投棄權票...
呵呢陀佛、善哉善哉... :?


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你地响綱上講咁多仲乜,有唔知D玩F3F飛友有冇上綱睇,上次開會有人提過,唔應該响綱上討論,要揾晒所有F3F飛友出嚟一齊投票方可成立.(少一個都唔得)


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