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PostPosted: 05 Jul 2005 12:50 am 
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The weather looks more promising this time.
Just want to get some satistics:
How many of you will join the contest and how many of you will to go Lamma Island this Sunday? I need the information for arranging transportation. Thanks.


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Stanley,

My 2 sons have other activites in coming Sunday, So I will go alone.

Ken


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仲做緊個入風口既纖維模﹐不過應該趕得切參賽。


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Will join, see you all !


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I still will join the event.

Some suggestions I'd like to share with:
For ease on managing the run down and safety-
1) a fixed time slot of each Rn, where n=1 to...depends on race matrix, say 10 minutes or 15 min is recommended.
From time 0'00" to 2'50" - prep time and pilots be ready on starting grid.
2'51" to 3'00" - 10 sec count down & launching
3'00" - official race
3'00" afterward - the competition normally should be completed in 80 to 180 seconds, which is about to 6'00" interval. When all the planes complete, killed or crashed in this Rn, the race is completed.
Usually, by 6'00" to 10'00" the pilot can retrieve their landed plane for power disconnection and claering from the racing area.
2) Even the Rn is finished early before the 10-min is reached, no Rn+1 be started. It is easier for pilots to recognize the schedule at an interval of 0, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 for 10-min alloted to each Rn or 0, 15, 30, 45 for 15min alloted to each Rn.
3) With this arrangement, pilots should get enough time for post-flight checking, proper pre-flight procedures to avoid for accidents because of rushing in hurry.
4) There should not be excuse for pilots to miss a Rn as there will be a prep-time from 0'00" to 2'50" after his Rn is called for.
5) Should we submit the using freq to Stanley before Saturday to ensure no other pilots are using the same freq on the racing day to avoid on-site freq change?
6) Grouping is suggested to be by random draw.
7) With a 10min slot, 6 Rn can be run in an hr. Even with the matrix A for 20 pilots, the heat rounds should be complete 3.5 hrs and provide a concrete timetable to pilot to follow. Say battery charging, repairs and ready for starting grid without delay.


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阿楊﹐星期六得唔得閒呀 ﹖不如上飛鵝山試機啦﹗我得隻 4.5x4.1, 唔夠槳試呀, 可唔可以帶D其他 size 俾我呀﹖


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This is Yeung (Johnson) . I will join the contest. I will go alone. It will be too hot , as well as the contest, for my wife.

See you all!


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Hi YC, If you are referring me (Johnson), I am sorry that I am not available this Saturday. For the propeller, Radar is probably having a full range of APC in stock at the moment at good price, but be quick. If you can't get them, please contact me as I have some, various sizes, as spares.


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嘩!Y.C. 個入氣口好似阻風


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BigYeung wrote:
I still will join the event.

Some suggestions I'd like to share with:
For ease on managing the run down and safety-
1) a fixed time slot of each Rn, where n=1 to...depends on race matrix, say 10 minutes or 15 min is recommended.
From time 0'00" to 2'50" - prep time and pilots be ready on starting grid.
2'51" to 3'00" - 10 sec count down & launching
3'00" - official race
3'00" afterward - the competition normally should be completed in 80 to 180 seconds, which is about to 6'00" interval. When all the planes complete, killed or crashed in this Rn, the race is completed.
Usually, by 6'00" to 10'00" the pilot can retrieve their landed plane for power disconnection and claering from the racing area.
2) Even the Rn is finished early before the 10-min is reached, no Rn+1 be started. It is easier for pilots to recognize the schedule at an interval of 0, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 for 10-min alloted to each Rn or 0, 15, 30, 45 for 15min alloted to each Rn.
3) With this arrangement, pilots should get enough time for post-flight checking, proper pre-flight procedures to avoid for accidents because of rushing in hurry.
4) There should not be excuse for pilots to miss a Rn as there will be a prep-time from 0'00" to 2'50" after his Rn is called for.
5) Should we submit the using freq to Stanley before Saturday to ensure no other pilots are using the same freq on the racing day to avoid on-site freq change?
6) Grouping is suggested to be by random draw.
7) With a 10min slot, 6 Rn can be run in an hr. Even with the matrix A for 20 pilots, the heat rounds should be complete 3.5 hrs and provide a concrete timetable to pilot to follow. Say battery charging, repairs and ready for starting grid without delay.


It is a good idea to have a fixed time slot for each round of contest. I think we should post the pilot names, their groupings and race schedule after the draw and before the race, so that every body has a clear idea what is the time he needs to race.

By the way, some arrangement of the race course will be altered after we have a lengthy discussion in the last meeting. They are:

1. The passing lights (Red, Green, Blue) will be removed. The pilot has to judge on himself whether he has passed the pole or not. Even he has missed the pole (a cut), he is allowed to continue the run and NOT allowed to turn back to pass the pole again. Judges in both poles (3 judges in each pole) will mark down the number of cuts of the corresponding plane. One cut will result in disqualification after the race.

2. Instead of standing near Pole A, all pilots will stand near the middle part of the race track in order to have a better view on both turns.


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PostPosted: 07 Jul 2005 11:43 pm 

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請問除左南濤閣停車場外, 附近仲有無平D既地方泊車?


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PostPosted: 08 Jul 2005 11:12 am 
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Henry Chan wrote:
請問除左南濤閣停車場外, 附近仲有無平D既地方泊車?


有!


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今日下午我去飛鵝山試機。好驚俾人打劫。有無人陪 ﹖


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PostPosted: 08 Jul 2005 11:36 am 
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Hi Stanley

Thanks for posting the latest rules, just quick clarification re "One cut will result in disqualification after the race" (1,000M for 2 poles 100M apart, flying anti-clockwise, so 5 laps)

A. Case I

Plane #1 make a cut but even able to take over Plane #2, #3 and finish 5 (completed) + 1 (with cut) laps ahead of Plane #2, #3, under this rule Plane #1 still get NO SCORE for this round (and NOT disqualified for the whole race)

B. Case II

Plane #1 make a cut and eventually Plane #2 & Plane #3 kiss together and drop. Plane #1 still able to finish 5 (completed) + 1 (with cut) laps. So in these case, Plane #1, #2, #3 all get NO SCORE for this around.

In other words, the requirement to participants will be (unlike F3F) at no circumstances, any single cut will be allowed, right ?!


Wing


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PostPosted: 08 Jul 2005 12:09 pm 
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YC,

What is that tool? The chuck is interesting. . .


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Unless individual timimg is applied though 3 pilots are running in the same round, where penalty, said 10sec to be added for each cut to the scored time of the pilot for that round. Else disqualifying the pilot's score for that round when he has 1 cut, is a measure though it's a bit demanding. A 'Short-cut' will let the pilot become the leader during a 'Ding Dong' position.


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PostPosted: 08 Jul 2005 04:53 pm 
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Wing wrote:
A. Case I

Plane #1 make a cut but even able to take over Plane #2, #3 and finish 5 (completed) + 1 (with cut) laps ahead of Plane #2, #3, under this rule Plane #1 still get NO SCORE for this round (and NOT disqualified for the whole race)

B. Case II

Plane #1 make a cut and eventually Plane #2 & Plane #3 kiss together and drop. Plane #1 still able to finish 5 (completed) + 1 (with cut) laps. So in these case, Plane #1, #2, #3 all get NO SCORE for this around.

In other words, the requirement to participants will be (unlike F3F) at no circumstances, any single cut will be allowed, right ?!


Wing


Yes, even one cut will result in DNF score. The pilot will not be notified the cut during the race, the judge only marked it down and the score will be calculated after the race. So, all planes will run for 5 laps even if there is a cut, the pilot is not allowed to run an extra lap.

For the second case, all pilots get DNF scores.

There are some pilots mentioning that 5 laps is too short and they said it is better to have 8 or 10 laps so that there will be more fun. We had a lengthy discussion on this issue, but we hadn't come out of a concrete decision yet, because to have more laps in each round, we need more time to run the competition and the battery requirement is tougher.

So what do you guys think?


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今日上到飛鵝山﹐見到 Charles 係度﹐有人陪當堂無咁驚。D風都幾好﹐不過好窒﹐full 雞掟隻機出去﹐嘩﹐要 trim 好多 down, 原來呢隻機個 CG 真係要好前﹗收油當 glider 飛﹐好掂﹐D風夠托﹐landing 無也難度﹐調前D個重心再飛﹐覺得唔夠快﹐打電話問阿堅﹐原來我個摩打個 motor constant 只有三千幾﹐用 4.5x4.1 唔掂﹐要配 4.7x4.7 至會有睇頭。馬上 pack 野飛車落山去雷記買槳﹐嘩﹐換左槳果然真係掂﹗Charles 係隔離都話有明顯分別﹐正準備善刀而藏之既時候﹐Henry 話佢有 5x5 槳﹐但隻槳唔知係咪過大﹐用 pack 新電都唔覺快﹐心諗﹕好﹐一於用4.7x4.7 出賽啦﹗唔知係咪幾次 landing 無事就開始鬆懈﹐今次出事啦﹗隻機直撞埋阿邦度﹗大鑊﹗

好彩隻機輕﹐阿邦只係隻手花左小小﹐不過隻機就分開幾件﹐可以補﹐但肯定趕唔切比賽﹐唉.... 一擔心機﹐只係 happy 左十幾分鐘﹐慘呀﹗

Stanley, 星期日我黎唔到啦﹗


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我隻機set


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Y.C. 盡補啦,人手不足搞比賽好難呀!

我隻摩打都喺3000轉左右,用嘅都係4.5x4.1槳,唔通我都要換隻4.5x4.7槳?


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唉!由於天氣極不穏定,加上有幾個主要賽員決席,比賽再次延期,日期稍後再公佈。
Due to poor weather and absent of some key racing pilots, the electric pylon race is postponed to until futher notice. Sorry for any inconvenient cause!


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Hi,

Summer season is just horrible; either it is too much rain, too foggy, too hot or too wet!
Should we reschedule the pylon race to a later date until autumn? I will not be available for the next two or three weekends.

Cheers

Stanley


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