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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:55 pm 
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各位F3F飛友,

現在的龍虎鎊看上去長期都是某幾位資深飛友排在頭位(唔好意思我係其中一位),對一些新參與比賽的飛友看上去唔吸引,過往比賽的場數少就排得很後,所以我覺得這個龍虎鎊有需要整理下!
http://www.hkrcss.org/F3FGroup/HK_F3F_Pilot_Summary.html

我的意見如下:

保留
1. 個人最佳時間包括60寸機組
2. 場地最快時間

把那些獎牌數目表整理並不以個人為中心,而是以每場比賽為中心,如

比賽日期,地點,冠軍,亞軍,季軍,速男及其時間

來列表。最後每位機手都列表只顯示共獲得獎牌數目(也分聯賽和非正式兩表)並把這些表放到一個sub page內,有需要才閱覽。這個sub page還可以列出過去每年聯賽的成積表。

新增

今年度最新獎牌鎊列表,如下
比賽日期,地點,冠軍,亞軍,季軍,速男及其時間

今年度獲得獎牌飛友的獎牌數目列表

各位有冇更好的意見?
:lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:05 pm 

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如果可以把現時的獎牌榜內加入得獎的日期,如(Dec2010),夠哂清楚! :D


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:02 pm 

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我覺得非正式習比賽獎牌數目列表取消
非正式練習比賽最快場地時間不會入表 :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:26 pm 

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老燦 wrote:
我覺得非正式習比賽獎牌數目列表取消
非正式練習比賽最快場地時間不會入表 :roll:

非正式練習比賽速男及其時間不會入表


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:44 pm 
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老燦 wrote:
老燦 wrote:
我覺得非正式習比賽獎牌數目列表取消
非正式練習比賽最快場地時間不會入表 :roll:

非正式練習比賽速男及其時間不會入表


那就是說非正式賽事所有記錄都不要,只有個人最佳時間才入記錄,是不是?

其他飛友有什應意見? :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:04 pm 

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Stanley wrote:
老燦 wrote:
老燦 wrote:
我覺得非正式習比賽獎牌數目列表取消
非正式練習比賽最快場地時間不會入表 :roll:

非正式練習比賽速男及其時間不會入表


那就是說非正式賽事所有記錄都不要,只有個人最佳時間才入記錄,是不是?

其他飛友有什應意見? :lol: :lol:


就我所知,練習賽(友誼賽)巳有人數要求,最少有十人參加才有冠亞季速,那麽我並不覺得須要取消練習賽獎牌數目列表,除非在事前表明是插point練習,不會分冠亞季速男,否則若在大家同意下完成比賽,巳頒獎,已拍照,便不應否認它的存在.所以我的意見是應刻保留練習賽獎牌數目列表.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:58 pm 

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正式比賽是正式比賽
非正式練習比賽是非正式練習比賽
再考慮一下啊


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:53 am 
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獎牌鎊有兩個,一個聯賽,一個非正式,我覺得無問題,只要說明,不把它們混在一個表內就可以。你可以咁睇,非正式獎牌鎊是用來吹下水的,真正的實力和選手出外參賽資是用聯賽排名計算。

如果非正式賽產生的個人最速時間被記錄採用的話,那些非正式賽速男時間,我覺得也應該可留為記錄,唯一一個爭議性的是場地記錄,非正式賽產生的場地最快速是否應該算是記錄?同一個原則,如果場地setup正確,有度個的100米場地,加上比賽人數達到10位,我也覺得可以考慮成為場地記錄。

這只是我個人意見,各位飛友,你們應有自已意見,講出來聽聽啦! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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非正式練習比賽.經常很高很快的小小BUTTERFLY非正式無所謂啦,我覺得不會嚴格執行賽例.常常非正式無所謂啦,
所意個人最速時間應該不被記錄 :(


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:21 am 
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老燦 wrote:
非正式練習比賽.經常很高很快的小小BUTTERFLY非正式無所謂啦,我覺得不會嚴格執行賽例.常常非正式無所謂啦,
所意個人最速時間應該不被記錄 :(

贊成燦叔所講,這樣正式記錄才有公信力!!
獎牌鎊有兩個,一個聯賽,一個非正式,我覺得無問題
那些非正式賽時間可作為個人參考記錄,自我滿足下喇!!


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:20 am 
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老燦 wrote:
非正式練習比賽.經常很高很快的小小BUTTERFLY非正式無所謂啦,我覺得不會嚴格執行賽例.常常非正式無所謂啦,
所意個人最速時間應該不被記錄 :(


"非正式" 就係非正式
運動員能在正式比賽的壓力之下,所造出的記錄、才是真正的實力 :!:
贊成燦叔所講,這樣正式記錄才有公信力!!


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:51 am 
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明白你們的意思,但如果非正賽的最佳速度不記錄的話,那就在非正式賽所有個人最佳速度,場地最佳速度都不被記錄,那你們以往很多的記錄就要重新找出寫過,還有在外地比賽的記錄是否也應抹去?在外地比賽也不一定是正式或非正式。請細心思考! :lol: :lol: :lol:

有一個較為折沖但復雜的記錄是有兩個記錄,一個是聯賽的記錄,有個人最佳速度,場地最佳速度。
另外一個是非正式記錄,也有有個人最佳速度,場地最佳速度,非正式是用來吹水,聯賽的就是有供信力的。
Anyway,兩個記錄就真係好復雜,我都唔贊成,但把所有非正和外地造出的記錄抹去又好似唔係好好,
你地有冇其他更好的建議? :lol: :lol: :wink: :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:57 am 
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場地記錄及個人記錄是記錄場地及個人所曾經做出的最好成績,只要合乎賽例都應該計數在內,不應該考慮心理因.當然使用butterfly的成績並不合乎賽例,亦不應當正式記錄.

其實我們所辦的"非正式"賽是合乎F3F賽例,只是不計算入年度賽總成績,所以應該改名為"非年度"賽而並不是非正式比賽.


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Kolosun wrote:
老燦 wrote:
非正式練習比賽.經常很高很快的小小BUTTERFLY非正式無所謂啦,我覺得不會嚴格執行賽例.常常非正式無所謂啦,
所意個人最速時間應該不被記錄 :(

贊成燦叔所講,這樣正式記錄才有公信力!!
獎牌鎊有兩個,一個聯賽,一個非正式,我覺得無問題
那些非正式賽時間可作為個人參考記錄,自我滿足下喇!!


我都支持兩位睇法


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睇過"龍虎鎊"發現到有部分機友在正式及非正式的獎牌差落都幾大... :shock:
如果有飛友大部份獎牌是在非正式賽時獲得但現在開始不被記錄,會否令他們感到不適? :roll: :lol:
表態:
雖然本人在非正式賽也有獎牌,但也傾向非正式賽不入記錄,個人最佳速度,場地最佳速度側會被記錄 8)


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:12 pm 
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Stanley wrote:
還有在外地比賽的記錄是否也應抹去?在外地比賽也不一定是正式或非正式。請細心思考! :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :wink: :wink:


Stanley, I can't found any records of local pilots were made in INFORMAL RACES in other countries ? ! :?:


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My suggestion is to move the history (started from 2002!) to the second page.

Replace it with the current years record of both Formal and Informal races in different rows.


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K.Y.Mak wrote:
My suggestion is to move the history (started from 2002!) to the second page.

Replace it with the current years record of both Formal and Informal races in different rows.


我都支持


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K.Y.Mak wrote:
My suggestion is to move the history (started from 2002!) to the second page.

Replace it with the current years record of both Formal and Informal races in different rows.


Mak, this is exactly what I suggested in the begining of this post, i.e., move the history into a sub page, and only show the current year 獎牌鎊. Also the history should be displayed and focussed on the races, not too personal of how many trophies this pilot has, etc.

Anyway, the argument now, I think , is whether the best times from informal races should be counted as personnal best and best time for the flying site.

I support Angus saying that if the race is properly organized with correctly setup course and abiding to F3F rules (no butterfly launch), the best times, no matter, they are from non-league races, overseas races or not should be kept as record. It seems that many of you have diversed opinion! Further discussion on this point please! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Stanley wrote:
Also the history should be displayed and focussed on the races, not too personal of how many trophies this pilot has, etc.
:lol:


No.

The results should be focussed on the Pilot.
It is the "force" behind our F3F activity. :!:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:40 am 
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Stanley wrote:
各位F3F飛友,

現在的龍虎鎊看上去長期都是某幾位資深飛友排在頭位(唔好意思我係其中一位),對一些新參與比賽的飛友看上去唔吸引


太長的歷史記錄(2002年)冇勿意思,不能反影運動員的最新近期實力.我建議改為最近之12個月之記錄

Stanley wrote:
把那些獎牌數目表整理並不以個人為中心,而是以每場比賽為中心


雖然我都唔想見到 Stanley 長期都在表頭,但並唔想用改report表格嘅方法,將你除去
我相信大部分pilot都有我嘅想法、
就係親自用自已嘅實力,將你由"龍虎鎊第一位"拉下馬 :twisted:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:10 pm 

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K.Y.Mak wrote:
Stanley wrote:
各位F3F飛友,

現在的龍虎鎊看上去長期都是某幾位資深飛友排在頭位(唔好意思我係其中一位),對一些新參與比賽的飛友看上去唔吸引


太長的歷史記錄(2002年)冇勿意思,不能反影運動員的最新近期實力.我建議改為最近之12個月之記錄

Stanley wrote:
把那些獎牌數目表整理並不以個人為中心,而是以每場比賽為中心


雖然我都唔想見到 Stanley 長期都在表頭,但並唔想用改report表格嘅方法,將你除去
我相信大部分pilot都有我嘅想法、
就係親自用自已嘅實力,將你由"龍虎鎊第一位"拉下馬 :twisted:


係呀!係呀!我見Stanley每次比賽後都滿面倦容咁宣佈:「又係我老人家冠軍!」 :twisted:
日後最好有不同人幫佢分擔吓就好囉! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:09 pm 
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講左咁耐,咁究竟有幾多人贊成或反對非聯賽成績列入個人和場地最佳時間?需唔需要投票決定? :twisted: :twiste :roll: :roll: d: :twisted:


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